Today’s guest on #MWL is Luke Stokes. We discuss the recent massive hack of Twitter and why centralized systems are impossible to truly make secure.

Could blockchain be the answer?

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all right what's up what's up happy

friday uh ending out the week strong

i had a i had a different episode


for today uh my buddy long-term friend

joel gartner

we were going to talk about his career

as a professional wrestling manager and

day trading and options and all that

good stuff but he got sick

and i was like man i don't know what i'm

gonna do for friday's show and then


uh on a wednesday wednesday i'm talking

to a friend on the phone

and i get a notification on my phone

there are not that many twitter accounts

that i get notifications for every time

they tweet but barack obama is one of


and uh i got this notification from

barack i'm like what's barack saying

and barack was talking about bitcoin and

i was like that's weird

that's totally weird covered 19 in


and then i realized oh no he's been


and then i found out later on he didn't

get hacked twitter got hacked and i

immediately knew who was going to be on

the show for friday

i reached out and i was like yo luke we

gotta talk about this man

i was gonna have you back on the show

soon anyway uh so

i had to bring you back man welcome back



thanks so much for having me marcus it's

crazy crazy times i mean i i already

felt like we were living in these kind

of unprecedented times that we've never

you know i'm 41 never experienced

anything like this but what happened on

wednesday it's just like

for real i mean they literally could

have just started world war three they

could have shorted the market they could


holy moly and this is the world we live

in yeah man scary stuff




i i mean i think let's just let's

start there

because i think it is important given

the role that twitter has taken

in our world right uh it

is it is the primary communication

platform for the president of the united


right i mean it is that important of a

platform at this point it is now the

fundamental breaking news

platform the the fundamental political


platform uh for the world

um outside of china and

it got hacked at the core

and some of the most important and

influential accounts

were hacked um

and man you're right what they did was

nothing like what they actually could

have done

nothing like what they actually could

have done


it's shocking too because

anyone that's been in the bitcoin space

for a while we're just like

this was like the nigerian email scam

like we've seen this for

you know i've seen this for seven plus

years like send me your bitcoin and i'll

send it back we're like what are you

kidding me and

they use the same address and i i mean

i've been following it today

you know there's people that are already

breaking down doing announcements so

first off

bitcoin is not anonymous you know unless

you're using monero or you know some

kind of specifically anonymous


bitcoin is easily traceable it's pseudo

anonymous meaning

it doesn't have my name luke stokes or

mark whitney you know attached to my


it just has these hashes but those

hashes connect to other hashes which


and for example they're tracking this

account that was used

and they're connected to exchanges which

have kyc so it's kind of like

these people were not very intelligent

with how they went about this right



hold on really really quickly because

because we're gonna we're gonna riff 



 said KYC. What's KYC?



Yes yes. Know Your Customer so KYC,

 AML, these are terms that are used often

 in the space and they're really

 important. AML

 is the anti-money laundering rules, and


 FACT and all these other different you

 know alphabet soup we can get into.

 And different countries have different

 rules of how they go about that. And

 actually that's a really big topic right

 now in the space because

 there's international rules going out

 called the travel rule, where

 -as exchanges and banks already do this,

 but as exchanges in cryptocurrency and

 essentially even wallets potentially- as

 they start transferring funds back and


 these governments are saying okay we're

 going to require you to attach to that


 all their personal information, which is

 just absolutely insane.

 I give you a hundred dollar bill, and

 nobody cares right. But right I do it

 digitally, now all of a sudden there's going to be

 a fingerprint? You can have all my


 And it's it's you know, we have to we

 have to protect uh you know the

 the the the... it's getting to the point


 the justifications for some of the

 regulations coming out of the

 governments of the planet

 today are so absurdly ridiculous.

 There's no longer the gatekeepers of

 information to prevent people from

 knowing this that they're just like this

 is absurd.

 And at the same time, so we have this

 breakdown of the normal kind of

 journalistic integrity kind of


 you know... but now we have people just

 turning to social media and saying well

 I trust YouTube more than I trust you


 a journalist right, or or a scientist. And

 it's like okay,

 there's other problems with that as

 we're seeing with Twitter. It's like holy


 So yeah we last time we talked, we talked

 about decentralized social media. We

 talked about Hive.

 We talked about why these things are so

 important, and here's a great example.

 You you think you know we're streaming

 on accounts that you call yours

 right, right. We're using you know, we're

 using technologies like I'm using my

 Zoom account right. It's not mine at all.

 It can just just go away, but if it's my

 peek d account, my Hive account... you

 know that's a blockchain account. That is

 mine, and no one can actually take that

 away from me.




so so let's because because we're

getting to the difference but i i want

to get back to

what happened on wednesday because

there's so much stuff happening in the

world that like it was one of those

things where

oh it's a hack and i don't think people

you know like like we talked about the

nigerian you know email scam and

and and the fact that look people

actually did you know give bitcoin it

was you know

probably some people did it as a joke

you know but like and also too 



quick sometimes hackers do that to show

just social social proof yes 



yes of

course that makes that make total sense

right it's just it's just

like gaming reviews on a on an amazon

you know item or something like that


so that makes total total sense so

uh let's let's just talk about what

happened and twitter has not fully

reported what happened right

but i but i i want us to talk about what

happened what do we know and what do we

understand happened

that allowed some of the most important

twitter accounts in the world to be

compromised how how did that happen



yeah and as you said it's just we'll be

very clear this is speculation on our

part we don't have the facts and we may

never know the full facts that's why

some of this stuff is going to be

extremely damaging and we can get into


such as for example the direct messages

of presidents

of ceos i mean who knows what level of

access they have right

so as the story unfolded my

understanding of it was first it was

like oh no

there's some third-party api that's you

that's your you know when it's not a

single account when you see

you know elon musk and barack obama and

joe biden it's like clearly you know


like clearly this is a bigger deal right

so we're thinking okay uh

tweetdeck hootsuite you know one of

these api providers that

when you sign up for those you grant

access to this application to tweet on

your behalf basically have full control

of again

your account which is not really yours

and and so that was the first initial

like okay maybe that's what it is but

then people started you know and they

thought well these guys have two-factor

authentication like

you know you have to verify things with

a with another uh two-factor

authentication is like

um like a google authenticator app or

text message which i wouldn't recommend

because of sms

yes sorry anyway it was it was

interesting as people started

unpacking it they're like i think this

was actually uh you know attack on the

inside and then twitter itself started

confirming some of these things saying

we had basically a social engineering

attack and

and this is something i think it's

really important for non-technologists

to think of you know they see the movie

hackers and they think like there's

somebody you know hacking away at a

computer and they're like

and they see some script on the screen

and be like that's how right

cryptography is broken no

cryptography is broken because you like

figure out the dude who's like

in a divorce and miserable and alcoholic

and his life is miserable and he works

there and you go hey buddy i got some

solutions for you you know and you

you hook him up and you social engineer

him to the point where he can't say no

you give him reward or you blackmail him

or whatever and this is what actually

most hacks are you talk to really good

hackers and crackers people in these

kind of uh

realms and that's what they all say and

so most likely was a you know internal

employee got compromised uh was able to


you know and maybe they didn't realize

at what level they were compromised but

they compromised just enough to let

someone's foot in the door so they can

start getting access to other systems

and that's essentially what it looks

like has happened now what it does

raises the obvious question of

you know how dangerous are these

centralized systems and at what point is

our convenience

you know going to be outweighed by the

existential risk 



great okay i

i want to make sure that we we uh we

don't leave people behind

centralized systems okay because this is

the heart of everything we're going to

talk about today

right what do we mean when we say

centralized systems because there are a

lot of centralized systems that we are

depending on right now and

it's really interesting that the

centralized technology systems quite

frankly have been

far more robust than many other

centralized systems in this covet 19 era

it's like we're you know we're now

starting to see some of the things that

are hitting them

but there are other centralized systems

i don't know banks

education institutions government i mean

like oh yeah

that that like we're having all sorts of

so i mean

just to just sort of talk about the

about the you know on the government

side of things

it's like this this recent thing where

the cdc

um dashboard got taken down because the

numbers from the hospitals are now being

rerouted to

to the white house so this so this is

this is this is an example of like

you know centralized centralization

centralization right a centralized power

that has authority to kind of

you know do do these types of things

so i just want to make sure we we cover


so when we talk about it with twitter

people understand the broader context of



yeah for sure and and all these things

it's important to recognize are in a

spectrum right you have centralization

decentralization and distributed and

these have nuances that are slightly


and the essential idea and you know as

we talked before i've been really

focused on decentralized autonomous

communities stacks and daos

different distributed decentralized

mechanisms for governance really that's

what all these systems come down to who

gets to

say who gets to control what happens

right who gets to control

that my account is mine and someone else

can't use it without my permission right

that's a governance issue that twitter

failed at um right same thing with you

know who gets to

validate the data coming from this data

source as being accurate and true my

wife was just telling me this morning


it was something about you know 100 of

the reporting was being

was wrong like at this one particular

institution regarding the covet stuff

and it's kind of like

it's it's a fuel to the fire to people

who already distrust centralized

entities saying you guys are you guys

are have way too much control

way too much power influence and you're

screwing up and i have no way

to verify or validate what it is you're

doing so

when i talk about blockchain and i don't

know if you've gotten into uh

do you know uh brock pierce at all i

didn't know that name at all

so yeah so brock is running

like his second video i've actually

really enjoyed uh because

he was saying a lot of the same stuff

i've been saying for a long time and you


here in puerto rico i've had an

opportunity to get to know him and his

family and stuff and and he's talking


blockchain but in a way that was like

really accessible he's like we have to

be able to not

let people rewrite history we have to

let you know and that's what like apple

all their tweets are gone you know stuff

like that it's like

the ability to rewrite history is a

problem you know this has been the story

of history where the victors get to

rewrite it and then it's like well

how do we even know where we are and how

we got here and so there's a lot of

interesting aspects of being able to


the not only the governance concerns and

permissions but also

the verifiability of it and that's

what's beautiful about a blockchain is

it's really a distributed ledger it's a

system of data that's

a big word immutable meaning you can't

modify it it's permanent

and anyone can validate it anyone can

look and say hey

you're cheating here right you know and

not only that the system prevents

cheating in a very amazing way and i i

need to get into all the details but the

exciting part is that

this is something where you know as you

know i've been talking about for a very

very long time and i feel like the whole

world's kind of going like

oh wait unfortunately the narratives are

are very

being controlled like immediately it's

bitcoin hackers

did this right where it's just like okay

no you don't say cash hackers

did something or credit card hackers did

something it's just bitcoin's just a

medium it's irrelevant



right right right yeah so so

okay man gosh i it's like where to go

from here so

the last time we talked not that much

has changed except for

um fio has gotten better you know it's

continued to evolve

uh in i'll give you a second to talk

about what fio is it's it's an important

evolution in in blockchain um uh since

the last time you and i talked i learned

a lot about um

eth2 i i didn't know about e3 i learned

a lot about that which is really good

news because there is some sort of

robust developer community out there so

the idea that's actually gonna

scale with sharding that's really great

news um but

again again you know i

i feel like we are in it more so than


right i look at social media and i

am happy with my use of social media


i use it as a broadcast mechanism

but but i am uncomfortable

i am uncomfortable when things like

wednesday happened

because you combine that and the lack of


that that absolutely just as easily

could have been me

and and it's like

it when it's when it's barack obama you

know he's being hacked when it's me

when people don't know me as well

there's like less of a trust factor


you know could could it actually impact


my perception in the market and things

of that nature right you know what i

mean and so

there's like again it goes back to the

governance there are all of there's all

of this

credibility and authority that we

actually give to the centralized entity

we actually give twitter authority and


that everything that comes through our

news feed is legit

right and like holy shit that ain't real


that ain't real you know and uh

man blockchain can't get viable

fast enough like what do we have to do

like i know hive is out there but like

what do we have to do

to get blockchain viable

like to get it to a place where people

can really

start using it and like

and and not having to use these

centralized systems man

like we've got to get there this is a

necessary evolution for the internet i i

that's where i am with it this is like

this has got to happen this is

this has to happen 



i completely agree

and i you know as you know i've felt

this way for a long time you know given


talks on this is the most disruptive

technology in my lifetime it really is

important more so than the internet

which is a very very bold claim that

bitcoin and blockchain is going to be

more destructive

and it's for all these reasons because

it impacts the entire

you know money was just the first

application right that you could put on

the blockchain cryptocurrency was just

the first like here's an example

of what you can do with this it's like

money oh my gosh that's a that's a

global problem

it's never been solved in the way that

bitcoin solved it it's like

you don't have any government you have

no central authority that says hey this

is what it is

and and i i really agree with you and it

was funny i i did my first live stream

yesterday uh on

on youtube first i'm playing with the

technology trying it out and and i was

talking about

kind of looking at well here's all the

things i've been working on you know

i've been working on

these these dacs and dials i've been

working on helping you know hive and

being part of that community

and i'm now as you said working on fio

the the foundation for inner wallet

operability this this protocol

where all these different

cryptocurrencies and all these different

user experiences could come together and

have a standard kind of like

you know http created a standard we get

the world wide web

you get web browsers also there's a

usability layer people like oh yeah okay

this makes sense

so it's kind of it's been encouraging

and exciting but it's also been

paradoxically kind of discouraging like

almost to the point where there were

some days where i'm just like man

i'm really frustrated i'm really

actually almost like

not a very optimistic and you know very

high energy person

and i had to sit back and go and i'm

doing self analysis we were talking

before the show and i hope you get into

this some more

now the consciousness aspect of knowing

myself and like

i know myself well enough to know like

i'm discouraged and i'm not normally

like that and what it was as i unpacked

it was here's the world on a silver

platter coming to our community saying

shit's all broken yes it's all messed up

uh the financial world is broken we know

that they're putting trillions of

dollars in the system we know that's

fake and bogus

um we know that centralized social media

platforms which literally through


training are using you as the product

and selling you

and and we know that's broken and we saw

an example of that in its worst form on


and we have these solutions for that and

then we so we have solutions for the

financial industry we have solutions for

the social media industry and then we

have solutions for usability as well

and dax endows for how we even organize

our our actual entities we don't need

these centralized companies like twitter

even centralized governments like

lieberland and other experiments of

using dac or dao to do an actual

government it's amazing

and yet as someone building the sausage

right like seeing how it's

like being in these communities directly

and sitting there going what the heck

you know i've been working we've been

working with your stack for two years

and we still haven't launched our dac

factory which should be like one click

and you have a dac you know

with with uh fio you know two years the

team has been working on i came on in

december and i've been trying to help

we've got all these members but you know

they're not like passionately

integrating the product yet we've got

members that have signed mlus like yeah

we're gonna do this but they've got

their roadmap and they got other

priorities it's like

how come they're not you know how come

everyone's not just going this is what

matters you know

but it's so it's just coming to grips

with here's my ideological

view for how the world can be and will

be yeah and then here's here's where we

are today

yeah and how our system's just not good

enough because everyone's saying hey

we're ready for you and we're like yeah

we're not

quite ready for ourselves 



yeah yeah man


it's uh it it's it's really interesting

i mean

um you know you talked about everything

is broken and i was

uh talking to you about you know

higher education right and and how

this uh this pandemic

has exp we've we've been talking for a

while now

about hi and why i say we i mean you

know the we that is society right

uh we've been talking for a while now

about how higher education

is only in in in a conversation with

health healthcare when it comes to

its price running far far far ahead of

the standard rate of inflation right

um and quite frankly i don't

think you can actually compare the roi

of education to healthcare

you know and that's not to say that i

work in healthcare that's not saying

that healthcare

as is is great yeah but

uh but but it does have a much clearer

roi in many instances than higher

education does today especially things

like liberal arts degrees you know

i mean it's just it just is what it is

when i say roi i don't mean some

some existential roi i mean a

quantitative money-based roi you pay

money how much



yeah you invest you better have a return



right that's right you invest you

largely finance it so you're investing

against yourself

and then you know how do how does it

actually play out right

um but their whole institution

is based on real estate

and bringing in many many many many


into a close quarter location

and then you know investing in that


to create experiences educational

experiences but to create experiences

that cannot easily be replicated

right that's that's that's what they're

ultimately selling

and when we're in this moment where

much of that is quite frankly

dangerous okay dangerous

they can't pivot they can't evolve like

they they can't and so

now when they say hey we're just opening


you're like okay is that because it's

safe or is that because you need the


why what yeah like what's the answer why

are you doing that is it because it's

safe or

is it because you need the money and


Then we start getting into

 the deterioration of trust. We get

 into the deterioration of trust

 with these centralized institutions that


 failed to make innovation a core


 right. That have failed to kind of see

 that innovation

 is not antithetical with human progress

 it's like

 at the center of it. It's like the more

 we innovate, the more we will be likely

 to have a peaceful

 society. And the more we try to hold on

 to power through regulation, and

 societal pressures, and guilt, and shame

 and things like that,

 the more we will have oppression.

 You know this is

 these are... anyway I feel like

 I'm going off on a tangent, but I

 don't think I am like I know...



I think

 you're doing like the classic Simon

 Sinek “start with why,” like go deeper


 People are frustrated. They're looking

 and saying all this stuff's messed up.

 I can't even get a grip on what's real

 anymore, you know.

 And for me, I think I like to go back to

 uh you know the big word again called

 epistemology. It's your mechanism for

 justified belief. How do you know what

 you know? What process do you use to

 understand that you think you have

 knowledge about anything?

 Logical fallacies -these mechanisms for

 saying okay we got to figure out what is-

 and these are things, ironically enough,

 our universities and schools don't teach


 You know, it's like well... and if you

 want to go a little bit

 deeper, I highly recommend a book

 by Peter Gray called “Free to Learn,” and

 it talks about something called

 “unschooling.” And the paradigm of

 it really gets into how human brains

 learn. And they learn through play.

 We always have, we always will. Whether

 you know you're out in the, you know...

 and he talks about way back in the day

 with these tribes, you know, they would

 learn at hunting and gathering as play.

 They would play at

 making weapons. Whey would play at

 weaving baskets and stuff. It was like it

 was through their play, and they would


 -through play- get all the skills

 necessary to be successful in that day

 and age.

 It's no wonder my kids want to be on the

 computer all day long... what do they see

 their adults doing?

 On computers all day. All day long.

 They're practicing whatever's required

 for that society to be successful, right.

 And so it breaks this all down. And then

 if you go deeper, look at the Prussian

 model of education.

 You look at the foundation of where this

 model started,

 it was designed specifically to create

 compliant factory workers. This is not

 like conspiracy theory weirdness, this is

 documented historical fact.

 And if you dive into how the governments

 around the world saw this and go “oh


 really successful for an industrial age,

 let's do that,”

 and they basically, you know, got control

 of a whole



and that model is still in

play and higher education

what's that multiple generations oh yeah

oh yeah it's it's it's been going and

that's why you know you know i

homeschool my kids and

you know i've always taken that approach

i was home schooled as well i think it

gave me a different perspective on


that was really has been really really

useful to me so it's it's it's a larger

conversation about

we all need to break out of this matrix

of source that we've been stuck in

about aspects of our lived reality that

we are beginning to realize are not

true whether it's central authorities

telling us certain things government's

telling us certain things

you know previously trusted entities

telling us certain things we have to

level up and understand

oh i have to evolve my consciousness i

actually have to remove

entropy which increases my ability to

attach to others because i know what's

real and what's not

and that really increases your capacity

for love and that's maybe what this

whole simulation is about if we're in

such a you know experiment and so i i

think it's interesting it's challenging

it's really uncomfortable

but it's also probably the most

important thing for our species like we

have to do this

and i would go so far as to say

potentially existentially if we don't do


we have some serious serious threats

whether it's ai or automation all these

other things like

if we're not thinking for ourselves


we're in trouble 



 look i i i i think

i think wednesday was a real uh

wake-up call for me on two fronts one

uh it was very clear to me how

incredibly dangerous

what had occurred was and the second


was just noticing within my own social


very very intelligent people it didn't

it was not like it was like a blip on

the radar it wasn't like a holy shit

we've been compromised you know and like

for me that was just like

uh you know like this is a real

big issue actually they could have they

could have

they could have done so many different


imagine that same thing plus a deep fake

oh man like yeah you know you know


that's yeah that's where my mind went my

mind went to oh

my god like yeah this thing could have


way out of the out if it was

if it was unique messages by each one of

those people with a deep fake video

saying no this is for real this is

serious you all need to act now i mean


we all know about the war of the worlds

you know radio broadcast that made

everyone go crazy this is on a whole


level yes and i i think that it's 



 important for us to step back and say


 how do we know what we know? What's that

 process?” You know how do we know what we

 know, and then

 beyond that too, it's this idea

 of like, you know,

 the fundamental things that drive your

 life. You know, why do you and I

 work so hard? You know, and it's... is

 it attachment? Well that's not healthy. We

 know that, you know,

 there's so many spiritual traditions

 that talk about the dangers of that. Or

 is it responsibility, which I personally

 like to believe it is. But it's obviously

 a spectrum. And as we go through that, why

 do I spend so much

 time away from my kids who are

 downstairs wondering why dad works so

 hard? You know.

 It's because of this, you know,

 certificate of appreciation... this piece

 of paper that I get to buy stuff with.

 And my wife's happy because she can get


 so it's like okay... but what is that? Why

 is this piece of paper with these dead

 white dudes on it, you know, why does that

 matter, right? Like

 what is that? It's just a piece of paper,

 you know. You go look at how much it

 costs them to print that damn piece of

 paper, right. And now it's not even a

 piece of paper... just ones and zeros in a

 bank account, and who gets to create that?

 Well you study the system, it's like holy


 people can just literally create money

 out of nothing. Why do I work so hard for


 Who's in control of this system? And it

 really starts to feel like the matrix.

 The Matrix was a really

 powerful movie for me because it got me

 to think

 about something I always knew, right. Like

 I always felt it when he's having that

 conversation, you know, something wrong

 with the world... you've known it your

 entire life.

 You know when you go to pay your taxes,

 when you go to church, when you go to


 You've felt it your entire life. And I,

 you know, I

 previously attached that to my religious

 upbringing -and I kind of have a

 different perspective now- but I still

 have that same understanding that

 there's something not right in the world.

 And it's because I think we're supposed

 to figure out

 who we are and through that process,

 learn about

 the world. And that's what that maybe is

 why we're here.



man so okay let's let's

we got two minutes left dude let's let

me let me quickly

talk about the field thing which is

interesting related to the twitter so

yeah because they started blocking

addresses you couldn't do public

addresses bitcoin addresses ethereum

addresses i don't know if they're still

doing that

but somebody there was an article i read

about it and that was funny one of our


algorithm was they had an algorithm that

was blocking like anything you

literally couldn't tweet it would throw

an error you couldn't tweet with a

bitcoin address

and so so that's a form of censorship

that is a little bit scary

but one of our partners edgewallet was

like you can still use a fio address

like luke at stokes i can still tweet

about that and it got me thinking about

what about a world where i could say hey

i need this work done

i tweet out my fee address and someone

sends me a request saying here's proof

of the work done

pay me 50 bucks and i just reply how

decentralized is that i wouldn't even

know who the person is

but if they can probably do the work

what do i care

right how awesome would that be and so

i'm starting to think about even a whole

new evolution of decentralized systems

that don't even have an interface

they're just individuals peer-to-peer

connecting to each other

this is the future that we have

listen people we we gotta start thinking

more deeply

um if you think that blockchain is just

bitcoin and arbitrage to try to like

make a quick buck when you hear that

some press story comes out about the

happening or whatever

like it is not this is about this

is about fundamental ways

of being in community which we already

sort of have subscribed to a certain way

and blockchain

led by bitcoin and the bitcoin white


is an innovation on that it

it is an innovation on that and like

just try to

try to read up on it try to understand

it you know

i i i i feel like i go in and out of it

you know what i mean

where i know enough about it to know

it's gonna win

eventually but like i'm doing other

stuff and i'm like i can't spend

all i can't do what you're doing you are

doing the hard work my friend you are

doing the hard work that's why i keep

pulling you in these conversations but

man this thing cannot get there

it cannot get here fast enough you know

and um

you know is it is it fia or fio file

it's both people say it either way yeah

like theo like fiona and file like file

either one's fine with me yeah

i kind of like file so so so fio is

really great i've got a fio

um address i think on an edge wallet i

think that i think i think that's what i

got it yeah i think we did it we did a

request back and forth so you got to

feel what that looks like and

it's super it's super cool it's super

great to not have this like

super byzantine you know password looks

like it was generated by password

generator you know what i mean like and

just be able to give you

a very straightforward address and be

able to do a a blockchain

transaction that's that's that's

fantastic um but

man gosh we we've got to i mean

i don't know wednesday freaked me out

you know what i mean it did wednesday

once they freaked me out man because

i i had the same response that you did

which is

this could have been so much worse oh

yeah this could have been so much worse

and especially right now right now

everyone's got so

we're so fried right now that like we're

not even

thinking as well as we could be thinking

we're all so stressed

about everything that man what an

incredible time to

just like compromise our psyche

you know on this platform that we're

addicted to and we overuse

and we over trust and we over trust yeah

it for me it was actually ironically an

encouraging moment because you know

after i got through the shock it was


oh yeah okay this is why what i'm doing

matters yeah

this is why what i'm doing is important

if people were trained to never just

send us some random address they have no

cryptographic verification that that's

the person you're trying to transact

with if it was all a feel request

look at stokes i sang that publicly you

know that's my address if you get a

request from anyone

who claims to be me and it doesn't come

as luke at stokes you can

cryptographically verify

it's not me and so it got me thinking

like okay this is really hard i've never

done it like a you know

you know i was a bootstrapper so i've

never done a thing that was you know i

got involved with

an entity that was pc backed and kind of

thinking through that process

now i'm on the foundation side doing the

non-profit part of it and it's like

this is hard this is really really hard

like to get people excited about this to

get people to know this is important

and so marcus i want to thank you and i

appreciate you as well because

you are kind of bridging the gap between

those who are like yeah what's that over


and those who are just like man this is

all that matters i've sold my business

i'm focused on this whole time

and you're bridging the gap you'd be

like let me try to translate let me try

to help people understand this is


and then people are gonna be like oh man

five years ago yeah i heard about that

on marcus's show like

heck yeah i'm so glad i knew about that

you know well i'm gonna tell you

last time we talked about it and uh you

know you offered to

uh to send some potential guests my way

i'm gonna take you up on that i'm gonna

i'm gonna use my platform more for this


uh i just think this is this is such an

important conversation

on so many levels right now

so many levels the financial level the


the broadcast media level the education

level the

the verification of who you actually are

at level like

system like we need more trustworthy


right now we just do we just do so

i'm gonna use my platform for this more

um and again thank you for the work that

you're doing

30 minutes goes quick so i'm going to

wrap this up and give you back to your

family but

everybody uh got to thank luke for

coming on the show again and he'll be

back again

uh because he is just a a brilliant guy

who's in the trenches doing the real

work and can

help us to really understand where this

is all going so follow him

uh you know on twitter at luke stokes

i'm like saying that after i just like

bash twitter i'm not trying to bash

twitter but like

come on like and follow me on on hive

come over to i'm luke stokes

there as well i need to add that to this

slide i

i have a slide that'd be awesome i need

to add the whole hive thing we need to

do an episode on hive uh for sure

all right the book create an orchestrate

uh you've heard me talk about it every

day go buy it

uh the podcast marcus whitney's audio

universe everywhere you get podcasts and

at marcus whitney everywhere online

including hive i should need to add that

to my slide as well

uh that's it it's been a good good week

thank you everybody for tuning in i hope

you appreciate the show and

we seriously need to build a new normal

have a great weekend

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