Your Data and Your Lack of Privacy – Marcus Whitney LIVE with Luke Stokes
Today’s guest on #MWL is Luke Stokes. We discuss the recent massive hack of Twitter and why centralized systems are impossible to truly make secure.
Could blockchain be the answer?
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MW
all right what's up what's up happy
friday uh ending out the week strong
i had a i had a different episode
scheduled
for today uh my buddy long-term friend
joel gartner
we were going to talk about his career
as a professional wrestling manager and
day trading and options and all that
good stuff but he got sick
and i was like man i don't know what i'm
gonna do for friday's show and then
yesterday
uh on a wednesday wednesday i'm talking
to a friend on the phone
and i get a notification on my phone
there are not that many twitter accounts
that i get notifications for every time
they tweet but barack obama is one of
them
and uh i got this notification from
barack i'm like what's barack saying
and barack was talking about bitcoin and
i was like that's weird
that's totally weird covered 19 in
bitcoin
and then i realized oh no he's been
hacked
and then i found out later on he didn't
get hacked twitter got hacked and i
immediately knew who was going to be on
the show for friday
i reached out and i was like yo luke we
gotta talk about this man
i was gonna have you back on the show
soon anyway uh so
i had to bring you back man welcome back
LS
thanks so much for having me marcus it's
crazy crazy times i mean i i already
felt like we were living in these kind
of unprecedented times that we've never
you know i'm 41 never experienced
anything like this but what happened on
wednesday it's just like
for real i mean they literally could
have just started world war three they
could have shorted the market they could
like
holy moly and this is the world we live
in yeah man scary stuff
any
MW
i i mean i think let's just let's
start there
because i think it is important given
the role that twitter has taken
in our world right uh it
is it is the primary communication
platform for the president of the united
states
right i mean it is that important of a
platform at this point it is now the
fundamental breaking news
platform the the fundamental political
discourse
platform uh for the world
um outside of china and
it got hacked at the core
and some of the most important and
influential accounts
were hacked um
and man you're right what they did was
nothing like what they actually could
have done
nothing like what they actually could
have done
LS
it's shocking too because
anyone that's been in the bitcoin space
for a while we're just like
this was like the nigerian email scam
like we've seen this for
you know i've seen this for seven plus
years like send me your bitcoin and i'll
send it back we're like what are you
kidding me and
they use the same address and i i mean
i've been following it today
you know there's people that are already
breaking down doing announcements so
first off
bitcoin is not anonymous you know unless
you're using monero or you know some
kind of specifically anonymous
cryptocurrency
bitcoin is easily traceable it's pseudo
anonymous meaning
it doesn't have my name luke stokes or
mark whitney you know attached to my
account
it just has these hashes but those
hashes connect to other hashes which
connect
and for example they're tracking this
account that was used
and they're connected to exchanges which
have kyc so it's kind of like
these people were not very intelligent
with how they went about this right
MW
hold on really really quickly because
because we're gonna we're gonna riff
You
said KYC. What's KYC?
LS
Yes yes. Know Your Customer so KYC,
AML, these are terms that are used often
in the space and they're really
important. AML
is the anti-money laundering rules, and
there's
FACT and all these other different you
know alphabet soup we can get into.
And different countries have different
rules of how they go about that. And
actually that's a really big topic right
now in the space because
there's international rules going out
called the travel rule, where
-as exchanges and banks already do this,
but as exchanges in cryptocurrency and
essentially even wallets potentially- as
they start transferring funds back and
forth,
these governments are saying okay we're
going to require you to attach to that
transfer
all their personal information, which is
just absolutely insane.
I give you a hundred dollar bill, and
nobody cares right. But right I do it
digitally, now all of a sudden there's going to be
a fingerprint? You can have all my
information?
And it's it's you know, we have to we
have to protect uh you know the
the the the... it's getting to the point
where
the justifications for some of the
regulations coming out of the
governments of the planet
today are so absurdly ridiculous.
There's no longer the gatekeepers of
information to prevent people from
knowing this that they're just like this
is absurd.
And at the same time, so we have this
breakdown of the normal kind of
journalistic integrity kind of
gatekeepers
you know... but now we have people just
turning to social media and saying well
I trust YouTube more than I trust you
know
a journalist right, or or a scientist. And
it's like okay,
there's other problems with that as
we're seeing with Twitter. It's like holy
moly...
So yeah we last time we talked, we talked
about decentralized social media. We
talked about Hive.
We talked about why these things are so
important, and here's a great example.
You you think you know we're streaming
on accounts that you call yours
right, right. We're using you know, we're
using technologies like I'm using my
Zoom account right. It's not mine at all.
It can just just go away, but if it's my
peek d account, my Hive account... you
know that's a blockchain account. That is
mine, and no one can actually take that
away from me.
MW
okay
so so let's because because we're
getting to the difference but i i want
to get back to
what happened on wednesday because
there's so much stuff happening in the
world that like it was one of those
things where
oh it's a hack and i don't think people
you know like like we talked about the
nigerian you know email scam and
and and the fact that look people
actually did you know give bitcoin it
was you know
probably some people did it as a joke
you know but like and also too
LS
real
quick sometimes hackers do that to show
just social social proof yes
MW
yes of
course that makes that make total sense
right it's just it's just
like gaming reviews on a on an amazon
you know item or something like that
right
so that makes total total sense so
uh let's let's just talk about what
happened and twitter has not fully
reported what happened right
but i but i i want us to talk about what
happened what do we know and what do we
understand happened
that allowed some of the most important
twitter accounts in the world to be
compromised how how did that happen
LS
yeah and as you said it's just we'll be
very clear this is speculation on our
part we don't have the facts and we may
never know the full facts that's why
some of this stuff is going to be
extremely damaging and we can get into
that
such as for example the direct messages
of presidents
of ceos i mean who knows what level of
access they have right
so as the story unfolded my
understanding of it was first it was
like oh no
there's some third-party api that's you
that's your you know when it's not a
single account when you see
you know elon musk and barack obama and
joe biden it's like clearly you know
apple
like clearly this is a bigger deal right
so we're thinking okay uh
tweetdeck hootsuite you know one of
these api providers that
when you sign up for those you grant
access to this application to tweet on
your behalf basically have full control
of again
your account which is not really yours
and and so that was the first initial
like okay maybe that's what it is but
then people started you know and they
thought well these guys have two-factor
authentication like
you know you have to verify things with
a with another uh two-factor
authentication is like
um like a google authenticator app or
text message which i wouldn't recommend
because of sms
yes sorry anyway it was it was
interesting as people started
unpacking it they're like i think this
was actually uh you know attack on the
inside and then twitter itself started
confirming some of these things saying
we had basically a social engineering
attack and
and this is something i think it's
really important for non-technologists
to think of you know they see the movie
hackers and they think like there's
somebody you know hacking away at a
computer and they're like
and they see some script on the screen
and be like that's how right
cryptography is broken no
cryptography is broken because you like
figure out the dude who's like
in a divorce and miserable and alcoholic
and his life is miserable and he works
there and you go hey buddy i got some
solutions for you you know and you
you hook him up and you social engineer
him to the point where he can't say no
you give him reward or you blackmail him
or whatever and this is what actually
most hacks are you talk to really good
hackers and crackers people in these
kind of uh
realms and that's what they all say and
so most likely was a you know internal
employee got compromised uh was able to
uh
you know and maybe they didn't realize
at what level they were compromised but
they compromised just enough to let
someone's foot in the door so they can
start getting access to other systems
and that's essentially what it looks
like has happened now what it does
raises the obvious question of
you know how dangerous are these
centralized systems and at what point is
our convenience
you know going to be outweighed by the
existential risk
MW
great okay i
i want to make sure that we we uh we
don't leave people behind
centralized systems okay because this is
the heart of everything we're going to
talk about today
right what do we mean when we say
centralized systems because there are a
lot of centralized systems that we are
depending on right now and
it's really interesting that the
centralized technology systems quite
frankly have been
far more robust than many other
centralized systems in this covet 19 era
it's like we're you know we're now
starting to see some of the things that
are hitting them
but there are other centralized systems
i don't know banks
education institutions government i mean
like oh yeah
that that like we're having all sorts of
so i mean
just to just sort of talk about the
about the you know on the government
side of things
it's like this this recent thing where
the cdc
um dashboard got taken down because the
numbers from the hospitals are now being
rerouted to
to the white house so this so this is
this is this is an example of like
you know centralized centralization
centralization right a centralized power
that has authority to kind of
you know do do these types of things
so i just want to make sure we we cover
centralization
so when we talk about it with twitter
people understand the broader context of
LS
yeah for sure and and all these things
it's important to recognize are in a
spectrum right you have centralization
decentralization and distributed and
these have nuances that are slightly
different
and the essential idea and you know as
we talked before i've been really
focused on decentralized autonomous
communities stacks and daos
different distributed decentralized
mechanisms for governance really that's
what all these systems come down to who
gets to
say who gets to control what happens
right who gets to control
that my account is mine and someone else
can't use it without my permission right
that's a governance issue that twitter
failed at um right same thing with you
know who gets to
validate the data coming from this data
source as being accurate and true my
wife was just telling me this morning
about
it was something about you know 100 of
the reporting was being
was wrong like at this one particular
institution regarding the covet stuff
and it's kind of like
it's it's a fuel to the fire to people
who already distrust centralized
entities saying you guys are you guys
are have way too much control
way too much power influence and you're
screwing up and i have no way
to verify or validate what it is you're
doing so
when i talk about blockchain and i don't
know if you've gotten into uh
do you know uh brock pierce at all i
didn't know that name at all
so yeah so brock is running
like his second video i've actually
really enjoyed uh because
he was saying a lot of the same stuff
i've been saying for a long time and you
know
here in puerto rico i've had an
opportunity to get to know him and his
family and stuff and and he's talking
about
blockchain but in a way that was like
really accessible he's like we have to
be able to not
let people rewrite history we have to
let you know and that's what like apple
all their tweets are gone you know stuff
like that it's like
the ability to rewrite history is a
problem you know this has been the story
of history where the victors get to
rewrite it and then it's like well
how do we even know where we are and how
we got here and so there's a lot of
interesting aspects of being able to
distribute
the not only the governance concerns and
permissions but also
the verifiability of it and that's
what's beautiful about a blockchain is
it's really a distributed ledger it's a
system of data that's
a big word immutable meaning you can't
modify it it's permanent
and anyone can validate it anyone can
look and say hey
you're cheating here right you know and
not only that the system prevents
cheating in a very amazing way and i i
need to get into all the details but the
exciting part is that
this is something where you know as you
know i've been talking about for a very
very long time and i feel like the whole
world's kind of going like
oh wait unfortunately the narratives are
are very
being controlled like immediately it's
bitcoin hackers
did this right where it's just like okay
no you don't say cash hackers
did something or credit card hackers did
something it's just bitcoin's just a
medium it's irrelevant
MW
right right right yeah so so
okay man gosh i it's like where to go
from here so
the last time we talked not that much
has changed except for
um fio has gotten better you know it's
continued to evolve
uh in i'll give you a second to talk
about what fio is it's it's an important
evolution in in blockchain um uh since
the last time you and i talked i learned
a lot about um
eth2 i i didn't know about e3 i learned
a lot about that which is really good
news because there is some sort of
robust developer community out there so
the idea that's actually gonna
scale with sharding that's really great
news um but
again again you know i
i feel like we are in it more so than
ever
right i look at social media and i
am happy with my use of social media
because
i use it as a broadcast mechanism
but but i am uncomfortable
i am uncomfortable when things like
wednesday happened
because you combine that and the lack of
control
that that absolutely just as easily
could have been me
and and it's like
it when it's when it's barack obama you
know he's being hacked when it's me
when people don't know me as well
there's like less of a trust factor
there
you know could could it actually impact
my
my perception in the market and things
of that nature right you know what i
mean and so
there's like again it goes back to the
governance there are all of there's all
of this
credibility and authority that we
actually give to the centralized entity
we actually give twitter authority and
trust
that everything that comes through our
news feed is legit
right and like holy shit that ain't real
man
that ain't real you know and uh
man blockchain can't get viable
fast enough like what do we have to do
like i know hive is out there but like
what do we have to do
to get blockchain viable
like to get it to a place where people
can really
start using it and like
and and not having to use these
centralized systems man
like we've got to get there this is a
necessary evolution for the internet i i
that's where i am with it this is like
this has got to happen this is
this has to happen
LS
i completely agree
and i you know as you know i've felt
this way for a long time you know given
given
talks on this is the most disruptive
technology in my lifetime it really is
important more so than the internet
which is a very very bold claim that
bitcoin and blockchain is going to be
more destructive
and it's for all these reasons because
it impacts the entire
you know money was just the first
application right that you could put on
the blockchain cryptocurrency was just
the first like here's an example
of what you can do with this it's like
money oh my gosh that's a that's a
global problem
it's never been solved in the way that
bitcoin solved it it's like
you don't have any government you have
no central authority that says hey this
is what it is
and and i i really agree with you and it
was funny i i did my first live stream
yesterday uh on
on youtube first i'm playing with the
technology trying it out and and i was
talking about
kind of looking at well here's all the
things i've been working on you know
i've been working on
these these dacs and dials i've been
working on helping you know hive and
being part of that community
and i'm now as you said working on fio
the the foundation for inner wallet
operability this this protocol
where all these different
cryptocurrencies and all these different
user experiences could come together and
have a standard kind of like
you know http created a standard we get
the world wide web
you get web browsers also there's a
usability layer people like oh yeah okay
this makes sense
so it's kind of it's been encouraging
and exciting but it's also been
paradoxically kind of discouraging like
almost to the point where there were
some days where i'm just like man
i'm really frustrated i'm really
actually almost like
not a very optimistic and you know very
high energy person
and i had to sit back and go and i'm
doing self analysis we were talking
before the show and i hope you get into
this some more
now the consciousness aspect of knowing
myself and like
i know myself well enough to know like
i'm discouraged and i'm not normally
like that and what it was as i unpacked
it was here's the world on a silver
platter coming to our community saying
shit's all broken yes it's all messed up
uh the financial world is broken we know
that they're putting trillions of
dollars in the system we know that's
fake and bogus
um we know that centralized social media
platforms which literally through
algorithmic
training are using you as the product
and selling you
and and we know that's broken and we saw
an example of that in its worst form on
wednesday
and we have these solutions for that and
then we so we have solutions for the
financial industry we have solutions for
the social media industry and then we
have solutions for usability as well
and dax endows for how we even organize
our our actual entities we don't need
these centralized companies like twitter
even centralized governments like
lieberland and other experiments of
using dac or dao to do an actual
government it's amazing
and yet as someone building the sausage
right like seeing how it's
like being in these communities directly
and sitting there going what the heck
you know i've been working we've been
working with your stack for two years
and we still haven't launched our dac
factory which should be like one click
and you have a dac you know
with with uh fio you know two years the
team has been working on i came on in
december and i've been trying to help
we've got all these members but you know
they're not like passionately
integrating the product yet we've got
members that have signed mlus like yeah
we're gonna do this but they've got
their roadmap and they got other
priorities it's like
how come they're not you know how come
everyone's not just going this is what
matters you know
but it's so it's just coming to grips
with here's my ideological
view for how the world can be and will
be yeah and then here's here's where we
are today
yeah and how our system's just not good
enough because everyone's saying hey
we're ready for you and we're like yeah
we're not
quite ready for ourselves
MW
yeah yeah man
it's
it's uh it it's it's really interesting
i mean
um you know you talked about everything
is broken and i was
uh talking to you about you know
higher education right and and how
this uh this pandemic
has exp we've we've been talking for a
while now
about hi and why i say we i mean you
know the we that is society right
uh we've been talking for a while now
about how higher education
is only in in in a conversation with
health healthcare when it comes to
its price running far far far ahead of
the standard rate of inflation right
um and quite frankly i don't
think you can actually compare the roi
of education to healthcare
you know and that's not to say that i
work in healthcare that's not saying
that healthcare
as is is great yeah but
uh but but it does have a much clearer
roi in many instances than higher
education does today especially things
like liberal arts degrees you know
i mean it's just it just is what it is
when i say roi i don't mean some
some existential roi i mean a
quantitative money-based roi you pay
money how much
LS
yeah you invest you better have a return
MW
right that's right you invest you
largely finance it so you're investing
against yourself
and then you know how do how does it
actually play out right
um but their whole institution
is based on real estate
and bringing in many many many many
people
into a close quarter location
and then you know investing in that
location
to create experiences educational
experiences but to create experiences
that cannot easily be replicated
right that's that's that's what they're
ultimately selling
and when we're in this moment where
much of that is quite frankly
dangerous okay dangerous
they can't pivot they can't evolve like
they they can't and so
now when they say hey we're just opening
up
you're like okay is that because it's
safe or is that because you need the
money
why what yeah like what's the answer why
are you doing that is it because it's
safe or
is it because you need the money and
Then we start getting into
the deterioration of trust. We get
into the deterioration of trust
with these centralized institutions that
have
failed to make innovation a core
competency
right. That have failed to kind of see
that innovation
is not antithetical with human progress
it's like
at the center of it. It's like the more
we innovate, the more we will be likely
to have a peaceful
society. And the more we try to hold on
to power through regulation, and
societal pressures, and guilt, and shame
and things like that,
the more we will have oppression.
You know this is
these are... anyway I feel like
I'm going off on a tangent, but I
don't think I am like I know...
LS
I think
you're doing like the classic Simon
Sinek “start with why,” like go deeper
right.
People are frustrated. They're looking
and saying all this stuff's messed up.
I can't even get a grip on what's real
anymore, you know.
And for me, I think I like to go back to
uh you know the big word again called
epistemology. It's your mechanism for
justified belief. How do you know what
you know? What process do you use to
understand that you think you have
knowledge about anything?
Logical fallacies -these mechanisms for
saying okay we got to figure out what is-
and these are things, ironically enough,
our universities and schools don't teach
us.
You know, it's like well... and if you
want to go a little bit
deeper, I highly recommend a book
by Peter Gray called “Free to Learn,” and
it talks about something called
“unschooling.” And the paradigm of
it really gets into how human brains
learn. And they learn through play.
We always have, we always will. Whether
you know you're out in the, you know...
and he talks about way back in the day
with these tribes, you know, they would
learn at hunting and gathering as play.
They would play at
making weapons. Whey would play at
weaving baskets and stuff. It was like it
was through their play, and they would
gradually
-through play- get all the skills
necessary to be successful in that day
and age.
It's no wonder my kids want to be on the
computer all day long... what do they see
their adults doing?
On computers all day. All day long.
They're practicing whatever's required
for that society to be successful, right.
And so it breaks this all down. And then
if you go deeper, look at the Prussian
model of education.
You look at the foundation of where this
model started,
it was designed specifically to create
compliant factory workers. This is not
like conspiracy theory weirdness, this is
documented historical fact.
And if you dive into how the governments
around the world saw this and go “oh
that's
really successful for an industrial age,
let's do that,”
and they basically, you know, got control
of a whole
generation.
and that model is still in
play and higher education
what's that multiple generations oh yeah
oh yeah it's it's it's been going and
that's why you know you know i
homeschool my kids and
you know i've always taken that approach
i was home schooled as well i think it
gave me a different perspective on
things
that was really has been really really
useful to me so it's it's it's a larger
conversation about
we all need to break out of this matrix
of source that we've been stuck in
about aspects of our lived reality that
we are beginning to realize are not
true whether it's central authorities
telling us certain things government's
telling us certain things
you know previously trusted entities
telling us certain things we have to
level up and understand
oh i have to evolve my consciousness i
actually have to remove
entropy which increases my ability to
attach to others because i know what's
real and what's not
and that really increases your capacity
for love and that's maybe what this
whole simulation is about if we're in
such a you know experiment and so i i
think it's interesting it's challenging
it's really uncomfortable
but it's also probably the most
important thing for our species like we
have to do this
and i would go so far as to say
potentially existentially if we don't do
this
we have some serious serious threats
whether it's ai or automation all these
other things like
if we're not thinking for ourselves
actively
we're in trouble
MW
look i i i i think
i think wednesday was a real uh
wake-up call for me on two fronts one
uh it was very clear to me how
incredibly dangerous
what had occurred was and the second
thing
was just noticing within my own social
circles
very very intelligent people it didn't
it was not like it was like a blip on
the radar it wasn't like a holy shit
we've been compromised you know and like
for me that was just like
uh you know like this is a real
big issue actually they could have they
could have
they could have done so many different
things
imagine that same thing plus a deep fake
oh man like yeah you know you know
that's
that's yeah that's where my mind went my
mind went to oh
my god like yeah this thing could have
gotten
way out of the out if it was
if it was unique messages by each one of
those people with a deep fake video
saying no this is for real this is
serious you all need to act now i mean
we
we all know about the war of the worlds
you know radio broadcast that made
everyone go crazy this is on a whole
nother
level yes and i i think that it's
It's
important for us to step back and say
“okay,
how do we know what we know? What's that
process?” You know how do we know what we
know, and then
beyond that too, it's this idea
of like, you know,
the fundamental things that drive your
life. You know, why do you and I
work so hard? You know, and it's... is
it attachment? Well that's not healthy. We
know that, you know,
there's so many spiritual traditions
that talk about the dangers of that. Or
is it responsibility, which I personally
like to believe it is. But it's obviously
a spectrum. And as we go through that, why
do I spend so much
time away from my kids who are
downstairs wondering why dad works so
hard? You know.
It's because of this, you know,
certificate of appreciation... this piece
of paper that I get to buy stuff with.
And my wife's happy because she can get
food,
so it's like okay... but what is that? Why
is this piece of paper with these dead
white dudes on it, you know, why does that
matter, right? Like
what is that? It's just a piece of paper,
you know. You go look at how much it
costs them to print that damn piece of
paper, right. And now it's not even a
piece of paper... just ones and zeros in a
bank account, and who gets to create that?
Well you study the system, it's like holy
moly,
people can just literally create money
out of nothing. Why do I work so hard for
this?
Who's in control of this system? And it
really starts to feel like the matrix.
The Matrix was a really
powerful movie for me because it got me
to think
about something I always knew, right. Like
I always felt it when he's having that
conversation, you know, something wrong
with the world... you've known it your
entire life.
You know when you go to pay your taxes,
when you go to church, when you go to
work.
You've felt it your entire life. And I,
you know, I
previously attached that to my religious
upbringing -and I kind of have a
different perspective now- but I still
have that same understanding that
there's something not right in the world.
And it's because I think we're supposed
to figure out
who we are and through that process,
learn about
the world. And that's what that maybe is
why we're here.
yeah
man so okay let's let's
we got two minutes left dude let's let
me let me quickly
talk about the field thing which is
interesting related to the twitter so
yeah because they started blocking
addresses you couldn't do public
addresses bitcoin addresses ethereum
addresses i don't know if they're still
doing that
but somebody there was an article i read
about it and that was funny one of our
partners
algorithm was they had an algorithm that
was blocking like anything you
literally couldn't tweet it would throw
an error you couldn't tweet with a
bitcoin address
and so so that's a form of censorship
that is a little bit scary
but one of our partners edgewallet was
like you can still use a fio address
like luke at stokes i can still tweet
about that and it got me thinking about
what about a world where i could say hey
i need this work done
i tweet out my fee address and someone
sends me a request saying here's proof
of the work done
pay me 50 bucks and i just reply how
decentralized is that i wouldn't even
know who the person is
but if they can probably do the work
what do i care
right how awesome would that be and so
i'm starting to think about even a whole
new evolution of decentralized systems
that don't even have an interface
they're just individuals peer-to-peer
connecting to each other
this is the future that we have
listen people we we gotta start thinking
more deeply
um if you think that blockchain is just
bitcoin and arbitrage to try to like
make a quick buck when you hear that
some press story comes out about the
happening or whatever
like it is not this is about this
is about fundamental ways
of being in community which we already
sort of have subscribed to a certain way
and blockchain
led by bitcoin and the bitcoin white
paper
is an innovation on that it
it is an innovation on that and like
just try to
try to read up on it try to understand
it you know
i i i i feel like i go in and out of it
you know what i mean
where i know enough about it to know
it's gonna win
eventually but like i'm doing other
stuff and i'm like i can't spend
all i can't do what you're doing you are
doing the hard work my friend you are
doing the hard work that's why i keep
pulling you in these conversations but
man this thing cannot get there
it cannot get here fast enough you know
and um
you know is it is it fia or fio file
it's both people say it either way yeah
like theo like fiona and file like file
either one's fine with me yeah
i kind of like file so so so fio is
really great i've got a fio
um address i think on an edge wallet i
think that i think i think that's what i
got it yeah i think we did it we did a
request back and forth so you got to
feel what that looks like and
it's super it's super cool it's super
great to not have this like
super byzantine you know password looks
like it was generated by password
generator you know what i mean like and
just be able to give you
a very straightforward address and be
able to do a a blockchain
transaction that's that's that's
fantastic um but
man gosh we we've got to i mean
i don't know wednesday freaked me out
you know what i mean it did wednesday
once they freaked me out man because
i i had the same response that you did
which is
this could have been so much worse oh
yeah this could have been so much worse
and especially right now right now
everyone's got so
we're so fried right now that like we're
not even
thinking as well as we could be thinking
we're all so stressed
about everything that man what an
incredible time to
just like compromise our psyche
you know on this platform that we're
addicted to and we overuse
and we over trust and we over trust yeah
it for me it was actually ironically an
encouraging moment because you know
after i got through the shock it was
like
oh yeah okay this is why what i'm doing
matters yeah
this is why what i'm doing is important
if people were trained to never just
send us some random address they have no
cryptographic verification that that's
the person you're trying to transact
with if it was all a feel request
look at stokes i sang that publicly you
know that's my address if you get a
request from anyone
who claims to be me and it doesn't come
as luke at stokes you can
cryptographically verify
it's not me and so it got me thinking
like okay this is really hard i've never
done it like a you know
you know i was a bootstrapper so i've
never done a thing that was you know i
got involved with
an entity that was pc backed and kind of
thinking through that process
now i'm on the foundation side doing the
non-profit part of it and it's like
this is hard this is really really hard
like to get people excited about this to
get people to know this is important
and so marcus i want to thank you and i
appreciate you as well because
you are kind of bridging the gap between
those who are like yeah what's that over
there
and those who are just like man this is
all that matters i've sold my business
i'm focused on this whole time
and you're bridging the gap you'd be
like let me try to translate let me try
to help people understand this is
important
and then people are gonna be like oh man
five years ago yeah i heard about that
on marcus's show like
heck yeah i'm so glad i knew about that
you know well i'm gonna tell you
last time we talked about it and uh you
know you offered to
uh to send some potential guests my way
i'm gonna take you up on that i'm gonna
i'm gonna use my platform more for this
conversation
uh i just think this is this is such an
important conversation
on so many levels right now
so many levels the financial level the
the
the broadcast media level the education
level the
the verification of who you actually are
at level like
system like we need more trustworthy
systems
right now we just do we just do so
i'm gonna use my platform for this more
um and again thank you for the work that
you're doing
30 minutes goes quick so i'm going to
wrap this up and give you back to your
family but
everybody uh got to thank luke for
coming on the show again and he'll be
back again
uh because he is just a a brilliant guy
who's in the trenches doing the real
work and can
help us to really understand where this
is all going so follow him
uh you know on twitter at luke stokes
i'm like saying that after i just like
bash twitter i'm not trying to bash
twitter but like
come on like and follow me on on hive
come over to peakd.com i'm luke stokes
there as well i need to add that to this
slide i
i have a slide that'd be awesome i need
to add the whole hive thing we need to
do an episode on hive uh for sure
all right the book create an orchestrate
uh you've heard me talk about it every
day go buy it
uh the podcast marcus whitney's audio
universe everywhere you get podcasts and
at marcus whitney everywhere online
including hive i should need to add that
to my slide as well
uh that's it it's been a good good week
thank you everybody for tuning in i hope
you appreciate the show and
we seriously need to build a new normal
have a great weekend