Today on #MWL, my good friend Dante Disparte, Vice Chair of the Libra Association, joined me for a discussion. We talked about life and the world. Dante talked about the "Triple Threat" on our society right now. The pandemic, social cohesion, and the economy. Purpose and focus is key at this moment in time. We talked about how the American public is not going to accept the same answers for the same problems. As builders, we talked about how it's difficult to respond to various unexpected events in our world.

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00:23
monday monday monday... another episode of
00:26
marcus whitney live,
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hope everybody is hanging in there right
00:30
now...
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um i uh i'm almost out of lost
00:35
words but not quite... um i'm
00:38
glad to be here with you all today uh i
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have a friend
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on the show today who is an inspiration
00:46
to me,
00:47
um he has accomplished
00:50
so much... he is such a
00:53
an incredible thinker in the
00:57
worlds of risk, risk management, um now
01:00
in in terms of uh digital currencies... he
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is the founder of risk cooperative... and
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the
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vice chair of the libra association uh
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my
01:11
good good friend dante desparte... dante
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um i want to welcome you to the show
01:16
today i want to
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say that i'm uh hoping that your family
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is okay and
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uh hope that um the events over the
01:25
weekend
01:26
in dc your home city, uh you know
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didn't affect you too much my man

DD
01:40
we’re are doing well... um we have
01:43
really sort of a triple threat on our
01:45
hands
01:46
as a as a society and as a planet um the
01:49
pandemic
01:50
i think has really put a bright light on
01:52
many aspects of our country
01:54
and the economy and it really has
01:56
highlighted many areas of vulnerability...
01:59
now you have this uh you know this uh
02:01
social cohesion is hitting a tipping
02:03
point at the same time so
02:04
and then not as if you know matters
02:07
couldn't be worse, we're also
02:08
facing sort of an economic crisis that
02:11
is
02:12
already at depression levels... uh so with
02:15
that we have to
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you know have a lot of purpose and a lot
02:18
of uh focus
02:19
on how we get through…

MW
this yeah man i
02:22
i agree so um you know we were
02:26
we had an entirely different plan and
02:28
then the world had plans for us
02:29
right in terms of uh what to discuss
02:31
today so...
02:32
you know let's let's just start with the
02:34
fact that they're uh,
02:36
we're obviously in incredible incredible
02:39
times... um and both of our cities
02:44
were host to protests over the weekend...
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and uh you know, those those protests
02:56
ended up evolving into you know
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situations
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that uh could affect safety of people,
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um property, you know things of things of
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that nature...
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and um you know we're we're definitely
03:11
at this point where
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uh we're at this point where
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the the american public
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is not going to
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accept the same answers
03:27
for the same problems happening over
03:31
and over and over and over and over and
03:33
over again...
03:34
um and uh
03:38
you know what you and i talked about a
03:40
little bit in the in the run-up to the
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show
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is that you know we are uh we're
03:46
builders,
03:46
you know we're optimists, we are
03:50
um you know we we always have kind of a
03:54
can
03:54
do attitude and there's much obviously
03:56
because of our heritage
03:58
that we feel in this moment... um
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but also there are certain things for
04:03
which it's difficult to have
04:05
the right words for... you know it's
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difficult to know how to
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um how to respond... uh you know
04:12
what what has this morning even been
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like for you? like let's just start with
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that man i mean
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it's my morning was crazy i don't know
04:17
about yours but my morning was
04:18
absolutely nuts
04:19
so you know what was your morning like
04:21
today man

DD
04:22
yeah well well um look i mean you both
04:25
of us are not the type of people that
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are often lost for words, but
04:29
i must say you know the weekend has been
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a heavy one right
04:33
in terms of you know, for once
04:36
you know i many people who know me
04:38
consider me kind of a risk whisper, and i
04:40
get the phone call when something
04:41
strange is going on in the world
04:43
or in their business or in you know
04:46
across the spectrum...
04:47
you know risk and complexity and and
04:50
resilience is what i've dedicated my
04:52
life to... and you know this one is
04:54
obviously not an abstraction it's not
04:56
happening around us it's happening to us,
04:59
and it's very close to home... i live in
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the city
05:02
washington dc a very stratified city...
05:04
i've put in
05:06
an enormous amount of time my wife and i
05:08
in addressing social equity issues in
05:10
the city...
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our kids go to public schools in the
05:13
city, um so we're deeply committed to
05:15
this... and
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you know the i guess the taking the
05:18
optimistic view of what has transpired
05:20
in our country over the last uh
05:22
last few days is that this is like many
05:25
things that we're addressing right now
05:26
as a planet... this is the drum beat
05:29
of history coming at us again and
05:30
reminding us again that we have a lot of
05:32
work yet to be done...
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and so while it is incredibly nuanced
05:37
how we got here, what is clear is what we
05:39
need to do now...
05:40
and i think you know i'm very heartened
05:42
by the fact that
05:44
the vast majority of the the protesters
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are peaceful
05:47
but i'm incredibly heartened by the fact
05:49
that the protests themselves are
05:50
diversified...
05:52
that this is not a single issue matter
05:54
any longer for one group of people to
05:56
deal with black americans
05:57
but it's now a matter uh that has pulled
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uh
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the silent majority off the sidelines...
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and so much of
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the work we have to do whether it's
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economic
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equity social justice legal reform
06:10
systemic reform or otherwise
06:12
um has always labored under a conspiracy
06:14
of silence
06:15
right and and if there's any bright
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light in these very dark times it's the
06:20
fact that
06:20
it's no longer one group trying to
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address these issues
06:24
it now seems like there's a consensus
06:26
forming around it...
06:27
MW
yeah yeah i definitely feel that as well
06:30
um
06:31
you know i i also feel there's there's
06:34
this very
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it's the only way to say it is weird... um
06:40
i feel this very weird
06:43
um pulling back of the curtain
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uh that is happening right now where
06:52
the the truths that we all know
06:56
within the black community... right the
06:59
truth that we all
07:00
we all know are are now
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becoming open points for discussion...
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and i think we've always known how
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muted we've had to be to
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baseline survive but then especially
07:16
when you start to
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get into wanting to do well in in this
07:20
society you know you you want your kids
07:23
to do well you want to be able to
07:24
provide
07:25
you -i'm not talking about being rich and
07:27
fancy, i'm just talking about doing well-
07:29
okay we we've always known that
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saying certain things that were true,
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you know undeniably true to us and
07:39
really quite frankly just
07:41
objectively... true um do not benefit you...
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right um it is it is not
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it does not benefit you to to
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lay clear that we as the descendants
07:56
of the african people that were stolen
07:58
and enslaved
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um still bear that trauma
08:04
and the disparities in what we
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experience versus
08:08
what other people in this country
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experience is
08:12
still tied to that, but there there has
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been this
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um there's been this
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disallowance of that conversation for so
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long
08:24
and it's like now
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it it seems like that's starting to
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crack...
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um and i gotta say man you know i've
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been
08:35
i'm 44 years old 44 and a half year you
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know like
08:38
that's that's weird... you know what i mean
08:41
like that that is a
08:43
that is not something i'm used to…

DD
yeah
08:46
well and i think it's i think it's a
08:49
it's a confluence of
08:50
forces and factors that are coming to a
08:52
head because oftentimes people say to
08:53
themselves
08:55
that event should have been the event
08:57
that that should have been the straw
08:59
that broke the camel's back and then you
09:00
find
09:01
that it wasn't and many more come and
09:03
many more go... yeah but i think if you
09:04
think about this perfect storm situation
09:07
that we're all in
09:08
um and we really are all in it um
09:11
you know we have 40 million people have
09:14
lost their employment and undoubtedly if
09:16
you were economically vulnerable going
09:18
into this pandemic and into this crisis
09:21
um that would be a reality that would be
09:23
visited disproportionately
09:24
on people of color and uh and minority
09:27
communities...
09:28
that's just a hard reality... you then have
09:32
nearly 30 million people have lost
09:34
access to employer provided healthcare
09:36
so another aspect that i know is very
09:39
close to home to you and the work that
09:40
you do with health further in your in
09:42
your portfolio of
09:43
work and practice, that's another aspect
09:45
of the reality that your economic
09:47
fortunes are tethered
09:49
to this very very tenuous relationship
09:52
uh
09:52
that you have with employment and
09:54
economic mobility... and then
09:55
you now have this third dimension and
09:58
and none of these fixes are easy
10:00
but all of these fixes require an
10:02
awakening and i think if there's
10:04
anything that we can do- just like the
10:06
great wars
10:08
and other past crises of this type of
10:09
scale- produce new institutions
10:12
new trade-offs the new deal effectively
10:15
was born out of a crisis and born out of
10:17
the great depression...
10:18
is that this time around, hopefully this
10:20
awakening
10:21
uh when when the the riots and the
10:23
protests subside,
10:25
that this awakening does also produce
10:27
the type of public discourse
10:29
-at the local level all the way up to the
10:30
federal level- on how do we get
10:33
real structural change yeah this just
10:35
can't be a moment
10:36
it has to produce a movement and then it
10:38
ultimately has to produce change

MW
10:40
yeah yeah so so your your expertise
10:44
you have several areas of expertise but
10:48
um you know maybe the the longest
10:50
standing one is in the area of risk
10:53
when this when this whole pandemic um
10:56
really started to set upon us i i think
10:59
was probably when
11:00
when the the stock market bottom started
11:02
to you know fall out
11:04
um i texted you and i said hey man i i
11:07
need i need counsel
11:09
um because
because you're
11:12
because you're my risk guy right um
11:15
and i i will not forget the words that
11:18
you said to me
11:20
uh on that call you said you know
11:23
“marcus i'm in the i'm i'm in the
11:24
business of risk i've spent my life
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studying
11:27
risk i've written the book on risk um uh
11:30
specifically global risk global agility
11:33
um and this is not risk this is
11:36
uncertainty”
11:37
and i i didn't forget those words and
11:40
and quite frankly they
11:41
they've better prepared me for the weeks
11:43
as they've unfolded because
11:44
you know i i've sort of anchored in this
11:47
*************idea that the only thing that is certain
11:49
right now is uncertainty
11:51
so i so i've been able to kind of roll
11:53
with the with the punches per se... um
11:56
and stay active just do controlling the
11:58
things i can control
12:00
when i can control them the ability to
12:02
create, the ability to
12:03
to take care of myself, to try to be
12:05
positive as much as i can, um
12:07
you know to try to find my voice in this
12:09
in this moment um
12:11
since that call it's been maybe two
12:13
months...
12:14
um time has been flying man it's been
12:16
it's been maybe two months... what it
12:18
i i'm not expecting for you to have
12:21
changed your perspective on that, but now
12:23
that we've been in
12:25
months of uncertainty, have you learned
12:28
anything in throughout this process?
12:30
is there is there have there been any
12:32
insights that have popped out to you?

DD
12:33
yeah well one when you framed it
12:36
well and powerfully because the the
12:39
distinction
12:40
really really does matter between risk
12:41
and uncertainty
12:43
...risk mathematically measurable you could
12:46
start to get you know some probabilities
12:48
out of it
12:48
but uncertainty is exactly where we are
12:50
and this is why it's it's deeply
12:52
uh uncomfortable for people... um you could
12:55
almost think about the choices we have
12:57
to make at the household and individual
12:58
level
12:59
are the type of choices usually reserved
13:01
for doctors
13:02
and for the battlefield kind of
13:04
hippocratic decision decision-making... “do
13:05
i go out
13:06
and imperil my society and my community
13:09
under
13:09
quarantine and social distancing right
13:11
now?” uh do i
13:13
every choice we make now has uh it's
13:16
hitting a deeper wellspring
13:18
of who we are... and that i think is also
13:21
an important moment in time for us
13:23
which is that you know i've always said
13:25
values matter most when it is least
13:27
convenient
13:28
um so after 9 11 for example, the geneva
13:31
conventions
13:32
on the treatment of prisoners of war
13:34
mean a heck of a lot more
13:36
than they do in peace time... and and right
13:39
now
13:40
as as the country and the world is
13:42
watching the country
13:43
unravel from coast to coast, city to city,
13:47
the question of what will we stand for
13:50
is laid bare right... the the choice of
13:53
social distancing
13:54
and breaking social distancing for this
13:56
really emotive
13:57
uh national protest that we're now
13:59
having is also coming with consequence...
14:02
you know it no matter what statistically
14:05
the likelihood that the united states
14:06
would face the second wave
14:08
of the coronavirus pandemic was already
14:10
upon us,
14:11
now it's pretty evident that that second
14:13
wave is not only coming it may be even
14:15
bigger than the first...
14:16
in part because we've quickly broken any
14:19
gains we've had on flattening the curve
14:21
those are hard choices to make and guess
14:23
which communities are going to pay the
14:25
heaviest price for that...
14:26
right right the very communities that
14:28
are on the street protesting for social
14:30
justice so...
14:31
my hope again and my deep admonishment
14:33
again
14:34
is that on the other side of this, as
14:37
quickly as some are picking up stones
14:38
and breaking windows
14:40
-which again is not the not the majority
14:42
of this protest
14:43
in the least- then let's hope people also
14:45
register to vote
14:46
get counted in the census and and make
14:49
their will
14:50
heard uh through the the discourse that
14:52
a democracy allows you to
14:54
to shape... and so i think there's a lot of
14:57
looking ourselves in the mirror
14:59
as a community and as a society, but
15:01
what's on the docket
15:02
when you talk about the difference
15:03
between risk and uncertainty is is the
15:05
value systems...
15:06
of the country of a community of our
15:08
cities and
15:09
uh and how we get on from here

MW
um
15:13
it it does seem like the the convergence
15:17
of challenges and issues
15:19
uh don't allow for the kind of
15:22
complex uh
15:26
assessments that they deserve... it's like
15:30
we only have time for one major
15:32
storyline at a time
15:33
right you know what i mean and so it's
15:36
like
15:37
here here here like we're we're on this
15:39
very look this has to be dealt with okay...
15:42
like th this this uh
15:45
this unstoppable wave of oppression that
15:48
manifests
15:49
in brutality against black people
15:52
um that is not all police brutality by
15:55
the way it's you know police brutality
15:56
is
15:57
a particularly disgusting form of it but
15:59
you know the the brutality against
16:02
black people in america extends beyond
16:04
that...
16:05
um you know this this in this incessant
16:08
pattern of this has to be addressed and
16:11
at the same time
16:14
we don't have a cure for this virus
16:18
right like like this this was always
16:20
going to be a long-standing
16:22
uh in awe it was always going to be a
16:25
slog
16:26
to to deal with this and the
16:29
the challenge of could we could we
16:32
figure out
16:33
a collectively effective way
16:36
to manage the spread while at the same
16:38
time
16:39
making sure that people's economic
16:41
futures
16:42
at least have a chance you know which we
16:45
have proven we can't do...
16:47
or protect people protect vulnerable
16:49
people which we're proving that we
16:51
that we can't do... um what what do you
16:54
have to say
16:55
to what are you saying to yourself
16:57
whatever you're saying to yourself would
16:58
work for somebody like me
16:59
you know what i mean um who is who is an
17:02
optimist who is a builder
17:04
by design, um who is -i'm not afraid to
17:07
tackle these issues you know what i mean
17:09
like
17:09
i'm not afraid to speak about these
17:10
issues- um and be honest about these
17:13
issues in fact to a degree i have this
17:14
platform i have
17:15
you know whatever amount of uh audience
17:18
that i have, i have an obligation to
17:20
speak about these issues
17:21
and at the same time they are
17:24
complex... they are complex... there's
17:27
multiple things happening at one time
17:30
you know um what what are what how
17:33
how are you processing your ability to
17:36
exist
17:37
in this moment relative to the
17:40
complexity and the convergence of
17:42
of of issues?

DD
yeah well so our mutual
17:46
friend
17:46
and um my colleague les williams you
17:49
know made the observation
17:50
that um past is sort of prologue here
17:53
right that in the 1960s,
17:55
we had uh human ingenuity uh and
17:59
and space flight taking off while at the
18:01
same time
18:02
that that reality coexisted with uh
18:04
civil
18:05
commotion and disturbances and riots
18:07
across the country
18:08
and so you fast forward to today to 2020
18:11
literally we have the same two things
18:13
coexisting
18:14
yet again... and one could argue that
18:17
the cynic would say well we haven't made
18:19
any progress because the same historical
18:21
patterns are repeating themselves
18:23
but but this is where i think we break
18:25
from history... right in the same way
18:27
that human ingenuity can move us forward
18:30
and develop you know the type of power
18:34
Be it in the private sector in the
18:35
public sector that can break barriers
18:37
and that can move people along...
18:39
i think these types of moments and times
18:42
shouldn't ever happen in vain, and i
18:43
think rarely
18:44
do they i think every single time uh the
18:47
reason it's deeply unsatisfying for a
18:49
builder
18:49
like yourself and deeply unsatisfying
18:51
for our society especially ones born
18:53
with this in their hands
18:54
who are used to instant gratification, is
18:57
that we're now facing a moment in our
18:58
country where we need to address
19:00
issues that require not electoral
19:03
cycle timelines, but decade spans... yes
19:06
if we cast our eyes decades into the
19:08
future we could ask ourselves and we'll
19:11
be able to look back at this pandemic
19:13
and this trifecta... the pandemic, the
19:15
economic crisis, and this
19:16
social moment where where black america
19:19
says enough is enough do you see me now
19:21
and and the rest of the country
19:23
acknowledges that they now see these
19:25
issues...
19:26
and we'll look back and say a decade
19:28
from today that was a moment where real
19:30
change happened...
19:31
in the same way that the women's
19:32
suffrage movement had to happen over a
19:34
big span
19:35
that equal rights, marriage equality
19:39
the end of slavery, the civil rights
19:41
movement, a lot of these gains can't be
19:43
taken for granted
19:44
but none of those gains happen in the
19:46
electoral cycle... which
19:47
i should also add none of them also
19:49
happen in the quarterly earnings cycle
19:50
on wall street

MW
amen

DD
we just simply need
19:52
a longer social horizon
19:54
and then you can look at these things
19:56
relatively optimistically...
19:58
you know the old expression when you're
19:59
going through hell keep going … yeah
20:02
but on the other end of this we have to
20:03
find a paradise

MW
20:05
yeah so so you know i guess
20:09
for me that circles back to the morning
20:12
that i've had so let me
20:13
so let me just tell you about my morning
20:14
which kind of also extends into
20:16
yesterday...
20:17
um the
20:21
the the community of people you know the
20:23
community people in my life is a diverse
20:25
community of people right you know...
20:27
um i i'm fortunate to
20:30
have many amazing
20:35
black people in my life -family friends
20:38
colleagues peer mentors-
20:41
who you know were able to console each
20:45
other,
20:45
suppor,t each other lift each other up in
20:47
this moment in this moment,
20:49
um and that's and that's incredible
20:52
you know and also i've also got
20:55
plenty of white people in my life, and i
20:58
cannot tell you how many conversations
21:00
i've had in the last 24 hours
21:03
um either
21:07
clarifying for them... actually no
21:10
they're all clarifying for them right
21:12
like trying to orient them
21:14
around what this is actually about...
21:18
right because the thing that i
21:22
know is that
21:25
they've been miseducated... you know
21:30
like that storyline about
21:33
everything being taken care of
21:37
and and and we're you know and we did it...
21:40
it's you know it's just as much just as
21:43
as it is
21:44
not true that we haven't done anything
21:46
right we absolutely have made progress
21:48
there's no question my life is
21:50
is demonstrably freer than my father's
21:54
life
21:55
and my father's life is demonstrably
21:57
freer than his father's life... so
21:59
you know no question have we made
22:02
progress
22:02
and at the same time, the inequities
22:06
persist
22:08
and they are rooted in something that
22:11
has not been
22:12
fully resolved... it's not it's not fully
22:15
resolved...
22:16
and that um i've just
22:20
i feel like before we can get to the
22:22
decades-long thing it's like first we
22:24
gotta understand
22:25
what we are actually dealing with... right
22:28
you know to me
22:29
that's been the amazing thing about this
22:31
moment is
22:33
i for so long i just haven't like
22:37
cared whether or not they understood,
22:39
whether or not that was what we're
22:40
dealing with i was like man i got to
22:41
survive...
22:41
you know what i mean i got to survive
22:42
i'm going to try and make an impact i'm
22:44
here on life for a limited amount of
22:45
time
22:46
you know i'm going to try to make the
22:47
most of this time... right you know
22:49
um but it is
22:52
it is an interesting thing to really
22:56
as a black person sit here and really
22:59
think through wow
23:00
you know we
23:03
before we can even start working we
23:05
gotta like get on the same page
23:08
about like we got to get on the same
23:10
page about resolution,
23:12
because we're not on the same page about
23:14
resolution... right you know what i mean
23:16
like not even in the same universe right
23:19
now
23:19
quite frankly... yeah um

DD
well
23:22
you know it's um it's
23:26
unquestionably complicated right i mean
23:28
the the
23:29
the the issues and the dimensions are
23:31
incredibly
23:32
complicated incredibly nuanced but what
23:35
isn't and where there is zero
23:36
abstraction
23:38
is this question of right and wrong...
23:41
yeah and the ability to sort of
23:43
recognize
23:45
that these inequities and and you could
23:47
argue this is partly courtesy of the
23:49
civilian
23:50
you know uh armed with an iphone and
23:53
armed with these v these videos this is
23:55
some of these happening
23:56
in such a short amount of time the
23:58
terrible footage in the in central park
24:01
you know laid bare i think for everybody
24:03
exactly how this type of power is being
24:05
exercised … you know how consistently it
24:07
is being exercised...
24:08
i've advocated that perhaps the advent
24:11
of the iphone isn't necessarily
24:13
capturing
24:14
isn't increasing the incidence of these
24:16
types of terrible events and police
24:18
brutality it's just capturing more of
24:20
them
24:20
that were already always there … but do
24:23
you also
24:24
have to acknowledge that in the in the
24:26
long term wherever this ends up
24:28
we have to come out of this in a society
24:30
that
24:31
calibrates these issues and finds equity
24:34
in these issues...
24:35
and um and then it extends across
24:37
everything from
24:39
basic economic security, to basic
24:41
enfranchisement, to
24:43
basic access to the opportunity ladder
24:45
that really makes this country
24:47
incredibly unique,
24:48
all of this has to start coming together...
24:50
and you know on the other end of it i
24:52
also don't want our communities to be
24:54
set back...
24:55
dc was a scene of terrible riots as was
24:58
much of the country back in the 60s
25:00
and it took 30 years of economic
25:03
progress
25:04
uh before many parts of the city ever
25:07
saw
25:08
uh the first dollar of investment coming
25:10
back so so there's
25:11
also a trade-off here... this is not a war
25:13
of all against all it shouldn't be a
25:15
pyrrhic victory where people have social
25:17
justice but there's nothing left on the
25:19
other side so we we have to figure out
25:21
how to find
25:22
equilibrium in approach and and
25:26
responsible committed ways to exercising
25:29
uh these calls for social justice... uh the
25:32
change happens locally...

MW
25:33
yeah i think i think we're saying the
25:35
same the same thing
25:37
this moment is about the murder of
25:40
george floyd… I
25:42
i would i would never want to take that
25:44
away from his family
25:45
okay this moment is about the murder of
25:47
george floyd... and
25:49
it is about the system behind that
25:50
murder... right
25:52
and that and that system has economic
25:56
implications,
25:57
that system has healthcare implications,
25:59
right that system has education
26:01
implications, that's that system
26:04
it's a system... it's a system...
26:07
right and um
26:10
and we all sh if there's anything we
26:13
should all be learning right now
26:15
is that it imp that system impacts us
26:18
all...
26:20
there is no win-lose in this...
26:24
there's no win lose in this there's only
26:26
ultimately
26:28
win win or lose lose ultimately... you can
26:31
have the short-term win lose
26:32
scenario but that that won't last long...
26:36
eventually the uncertainty will will
26:39
come after you…

DD
26:41
yeah and and you know again i think we
26:43
should be
26:45
in the medium to long term back to the
26:47
question of how am i
26:48
working my way through this and not not
26:51
as a
26:52
risk whisperer trying to process this as
26:54
it was abstract but as someone who's
26:56
deeply involved and deeply committed and
26:58
who has experienced many of these very
26:59
issues myself...
27:01
um you know we have to look at it as if
27:04
none of these sacrifices are in vain...
27:06
yes um the the the the names and there
27:09
are
27:10
so many there are far too many to count,
27:12
uh
27:13
of people who have sacrificed themselves
27:15
in in the spirit of advancing civil
27:17
rights,
27:18
-my own grandfather was a pioneer in the
27:20
civil rights movement, in
27:21
1947 uh donned a turban
27:24
from new york and took an abolitionist
27:27
train to mobile alabama to officiate a
27:29
wedding,
27:30
and because he donned a turban and
27:31
looked exotic he was able to ride
27:34
in in the in the front of uh in the
27:37
non-segregated car
27:38
in the white car and then officiate a
27:40
wedding in alabama
27:41
and you know was treated as if he was a
27:43
foreign dignitary-
27:45
because we could accept back then that
27:46
if you were exotic or foreign you
27:48
weren't black,
27:49
um and so i think that you know there's
27:51
a collection of
27:52
sacrifices that we have to look back
27:54
upon
27:55
as guides right now, but this also speaks
27:58
to one of the biggest voids i think we
27:59
face in our country
28:00
and frankly in many aspects of our
28:02
communities... which is there's a void of
28:03
leadership
28:04
people are looking for the moral compass
28:07
and the guides
28:08
uh and when you look to your left and
28:09
you look to your right and you ask who's
28:11
going to do something about this,
28:12
it often points to you... yeah and i think
28:15
that
28:16
sort of spirit of individual
28:17
responsibility and accountability and
28:19
what can you do
28:20
individually to make a difference right
28:22
now is is what's going to matter...
28:23
it's the only thing you could latch on
28:25
to again back in and back to the point
28:27
about uncertainty and risk,
28:29
is all you could latch on to in
28:31
uncertain times are your value systems,
28:34
your actions, and what you could do one
28:36
day at a time...
28:37
this is a crisis of epic proportions the
28:40
the three things that have hit
28:41
our country in the world all at once are
28:44
are all happening at exactly the same
28:45
time,
28:46
but in order for them not to be in vain
28:48
we have to ask ourselves what we can do...
28:51
we shouldn't wait for anybody else to do
28:52
it we have to do it ourselves

MW
28:55
um dante thank you man um i love you bro
28:58
thank you man um i uh
29:01
your counsel is so important to me
29:03
personally i'm glad
29:05
uh i get to brag that you're a friend of
29:07
mine on my show
29:08
uh i feel like i feel like you've raised
29:10
the quality of my show here
29:12
pretty quickly um so man thank you for
29:15
for just being willing to spend some
29:17
time here
29:18
and um yeah i
29:21
just thank you thank you and and and i
29:23
hope you and your family
29:25
do well and and are safe in in in dc and
29:28
i hope that
29:29
um you know people are taking care of
29:32
each other there

DD
29:34
this too shall pass my dear friend thank
29:35
You

MW
awesome
29:37
um after this i know you're going to
29:39
want to follow dante
29:41
you can on twitter at d desparte
29:44
and also check him out on linkedin he's
29:46
also a
29:47
very consistent contributor to forbes
29:50
the guy is brilliant i don't know anyone
29:53
better
29:54
in the world on the topic of risk so
29:57
please do
29:58
follow him and support him in what he's
30:01
doing
30:02
uh also this is the first time i'm going
30:05
to announce it i'm also going to put out
30:07
a post here shortly
30:09
but i have a a a go live date
30:12
for the book that i've been working on
30:15
for
30:16
five years um and it it feels like
30:22
it it feels like it could not be coming
30:25
at a more
30:25
important or scary time for me to put
30:28
this out
30:29
um but i'm going to step out on faith
30:32
and do that
30:34
so create and orchestrate is coming out
30:37
june 30th of this year and um
30:40
i am just really excited
30:44
to get this uh this work out into the
30:47
world it is the hardest thing
30:48
i've ever done and i think it's also
30:50
probably the most
30:51
meaningful work i've ever done it
30:55
is all the wisdom that i've learned over
30:57
the last 20 years
30:59
in terms of economic mobility and what i
31:02
believe is not the only but certainly
31:04
one of the key
31:05
contributing factors to the enduring
31:08
inequity that we
31:09
experience in this world this is the
31:12
book that i wish
31:13
i had um throughout my journey
31:16
and i offer it humbly as
31:19
one of the tools that may help us get to
31:22
the other side
31:23
of this mountain um i've got a podcast
31:26
all of my shows
31:28
that i do here live get archived to it
31:30
marcus whitney's audio universe you can
31:31
find those on apple
31:32
google spotify iheartradio et cetera et
31:35
cetera and of course if you're watching
31:37
this then you are also
31:38
following me on social so just want to
31:40
thank everyone
31:42
for the support um even while we were
31:44
going live i've gotten a ton of text
31:46
messages
31:47
and uh comments so thank you for um
31:50
for just the kind messages from
31:52
everybody and uh
31:54
yeah everyone take care of yourselves
31:56
take care of each other
31:58
um this is such an important moment in
32:00
time and i know
32:02
none of us will ever forget it but until
32:05
tomorrow
32:07
let's build a new normal peace

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