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MW

what's up

happy Friday how's everybody doing

another episode of Marcus Whitney live

we're taking us out this week with

a fun conversation this is another one

of my new friends man my guide David

D at Nexus heads just hooked me up

with all these new friends over the last

couple of months and Oliver and I we we

we got on the phone we started talking

about venture capital we started talking

about hip hop this guy knows Rahzel which is

like you know that's like real-deal like

hip hop fiend stuff like if you know

about 90's hip hop and the roots you

know about the incredible beat boxer

that Rahzel is and and oliver has some

beatboxing skills and and anyway it's

just like a super fun conversation I was

like man I get you on the show we got to

spend some time talking a little bit

more about how we're living in this

moment as a venture capitalist as

entrepreneurs is you know both people he

lives in New York I'm originally from

New York so so it would be a great

person to bring onto the show so without

further ado introducing Oliver Libby

Oliver what's going on man 

 

OL

hey Marcus

thanks so much for having me I'm so

excited I the best conversations and

friendships have all these different

angles and just we're vibing together

and that really enjoyed the conversation

I have to say you mentioned two of my

favorite people David it's amazing

Rahzel one of the legends the best

moment for me when I met Rahzel was to

kind of dig up on my phone all the

tracks I had from make the music 2000 and

you know all the stuff I'd listened to

back in the day such a great guy but

yeah I'm really happy to be here and you

know I don't know what gave away in New

York to people but but I love my city

and and you know so glad you're from

there as well um yeah you know just a

quick quick background I guess you know

I as you said I'm a venture capitalist I

trade a managing partner and one of the

two co-founders of what's called Hatzimemos Libby 

and so to save everyone

pronouncing it we just call it HL

ventures

[Laughter]

we're one of the early venture studios

one of the first probably the first that

was focused on impact and diversity so

we really helped Co build companies I'm

sure we'll talk about that a little bit

and then and then actually within a

month of starting that my college best

friends and I started a nonprofit called

the resolution project and that's now

the largest college social venture

accelerator in the world so we're in

like 80 countries 30 states across the

u.s. or something and college kids who

want to start social responsible

ventures we help them we fund them we

get them going so I guess you could call

me if you wanted to like distill it down

I help entrepreneurs start social

responsible businesses and have ton of

fun doing it 

MW

awesome man so let's let's

keep going on that on that thread how

did that become the thing for you and

I'm also really interested in how you

got your break into venture capital

because there's always like some

backdoor way that this kind of stuff

ends up happening right it's not

straightforward so I'd love to touch on

both of those 

 

How did you get the

 passion for social impact from a venture

 perspective, and then how did you

 actually get into the venture game?

 

OL

Yeah

 I mean you know, venture capital really

 for me and it's -when I say this a lot

 right I say there's different ways of

 doing this I'm a builder not a gambler-

 and so when you think of it that way

 right, I mean, I and I'm sure you were the

 same way Marcus. Like if you look

 at the you know, if you looked at like

 whatever playground I might have been on

 in recess when we were in elementary

 school, if there was something that had

 been started I probably had started it. I

 was like the instigator for whatever

 small business lemonade stand was going

 on or whatever. And so once you get

 that bug right, you love to work with

 people. And I did realize though pretty

 early on -whether I was working with

 college organizations or doing early in

 my career you know, consulting work- that I

 was really good at helping other people

 realize their ideas. I'm not sitting

 there thinking about the app that I

 think I should launch, I'm like

  talking to my friends who have an app

  saying well here's 15 things you should

  do. And that really was a big thing

  for me, but you're totally right about

  the big break. I don't know this must

  have happened to you tons of times, but people will

  say how do you get into venture capital?

  Like what is the door, and I'm like there

  isn't one, you know? But it's always some

  sort of a weird thing for me. It was

  actually confusion -and what I mean by

  that Marcus is that I was confused,

  I was working with some friends of mine

  who had some startups and some ideas and

  I was wondering why the venture capital

  industry was structured the way that it

  is, and we can talk about that more,

  and i also to be frank with you like

  where was impact and where was diversity

  in this ecosystem it was missing and so

  when the 08 downturn happened I went to

  a great mentor of mine whose older, more

  experienced, better connected, and had

  managed a huge pension fund and I said

  let's reboot venture capital together

  let's do something different and that's what

  we did.

  Wow just a big break and he put me in

  the game no doubt about it . 

 

MW

yeah yeah so

so let's let's talk more about about

social impact because that that term

means different things to different

people and I mean especially once you

start getting into the for-profit

investing space it gets confusing I mean

there's everything from like social

impact bonds to to impact funds to you

know what you're talking about

with with your what is the resolution

project yep yeah so so talk a little bit

about this this this term social impact

as it pertains to being an investor in

that space like you know how do you

frame that up how do you think about it

when you look at something how do you

say yes that is actually social impact

versus maybe not 

 

OL

totally totally look I

live for the day when we've all decided

on the same criteria and we don't know

we're talking about right if if you know

if you look at just as pure you know

pure public markets investing you know

if you look at that you know accordingly

report all the data is there everyone

kind of understands that that has not

happened in the impact space so let's

just start with that so then what

happens is you start thinking well what

is the definition and it ends up being a

pretty personal thing as an investor so

I'll tell you our rubric before I do

that the one thing I want to share is

that impact investing is often thought

of as its own asset class it's like oh

he has a venture fund and he has an

impact fund and she has a hedge fund

right the truth is it's not it's a

little bit like good sportsmanship and

sports and so you could think about like

yes there's bonds there's philanthropy

there's you know public markets

investing there's moonshot venture

capital all sorts of different ways and

if you have an impact lens sitting over

the way you invest then you're an

investor and it also doesn't mean that

you you choose to make less

if you want to use your money to invest

in things that aren't going to be

unicorns but that might be great for

communities it just means a different

return it doesn't mean you're some

special less less capitalist person

right so for us what we use is we'll get

in and I could talk more about it if you

want is what we call the four P’S for US

companies at hl ventures have to be

companies that protect and/or promote

people and/or the planet 

 

MW

Love it, that's

 that's very straightforward. It's a very

 clear rubric and it should be very easy

 to sort of look at the the mission and

 vision and and outcomes that a company

 is living by and creating until whether

 or not it fits that rubric I I just want

 to say that in terms of your

differentiation between impact funds

being a different asset class and just

being good sportsmanship I love that I

love that and I also feel like we're

we're evolving more into this place

where we're having that conversation

that stop trying to make impact

investing a different asset class right

the the bigger issue with that is this

idea that somehow you should expect

lower returns right now now how does

that actually play out how does it play

do we are we at a point now where we

have enough data that do we have enough

data that we can prove hey this is good

business too you know to to invest in

these companies actually generates equal

or maybe even in some cases better

returns are we there yet

 

OL

I think we're

getting there I think that first of all

I mean there's definitely some great

scholarship on for example investing in

women or investing in other diverse

entrepreneurs like the the I think I'm

not gonna get the statistic right so I

won't bother guessing but there is

demonstrable better outcomes when you

invest in female founding companies and

that's that's been heals a lot of

scholarship on it so we know this and

and there's definitely been more

successes you know you know as well as I

do that the venture game plays out over

a decade it's funny actually quick side

story I probably wouldn't have even been

on this podcast a couple years ago because 

my partner Eric and I had said we're not

gonna do anything public about our firm

that's probably why people on this that

are was listening to they're like we've

never heard of this guy and his firm

We shook hands and we said it takes a

decade to figure out if you're any good

at VC so we're just gonna be quiet until

we know and thankfully for us it's been

going well on this thesis but I really

think that you we're starting to see

that edging out of the data where it's

clear that there are really big success

stories and impact and especially

depending on how you find it like

there's protective industries that have

already done really well like we have an

argument for people with people about

cybersecurity for example when you think

about it right it's not cybersecurity is

not renewable energy and it's not

financial inclusion it’s not education

but it doesn't dig anything terrible out

of the ground doesn't blow anything up

you know and it protects people's

livelihood privacy financial your

infrastructure national security lake

that's an impact investment in our minds.

 

MW

right right right yeah yeah I think I

think that that's why the rubric is so

helpful right because it it stops taking

it stops approaching it like we're

investing in nonprofits but from a

for-profit perspective and it starts

really looking at okay what are you

really doing as a business you know what

are you what do you what do you what are

you after here and are you a for-profit

and I think at that intersection is

where social impact investing lives so

so you said you didn't want to talk

about this publicly until you knew if

you were any good so how so how long

have you been doing this now 

 

OL

this is

Year 11 year 11 okay 

 

MW

so you waited

out the full decade you guys had

discipline wow that's that's that's

impressive

that's impressive and and and what have

you and as a fellow uh venture

capitalist I know I don't want to ask

anything inappropriate right but like

give me some of the high-level lessons

that you learned obviously if you're out

talking about it you guys and you're

continuing to do it you guys feel like

you know you've learned some things

you're certainly incredible you're

capable you're gonna continue down this

path but what are some of some of the

big things you've learned over the last

decade cuz you're right a decade is a

long enough time to kind of understand

what you're doing who you are and and

how good you are at this 

OL

yeah I mean you

know the first of all we would need a

much longer podcast and we I still feel

so much like we're at the beginning to

be honest with you a decade or not

but there's so much of you know and if

you think about impact investing just

specifically right to your question one

of the things we've learned is it's

really important to try and understand

when that should be the forefront of the

conversation and when just the basic

business stuff should be at the

forefront of the conversation and so

much of what we do with our companies is

the basic business stuff right its

structure its you know you know the next

raise it's you know recruiting the right

people building culture but I have found

in my career and this is my experience

is not science but a scientifically

within my experience that impactful

companies with a mission also tend to

have stronger cultures more loyal

investors just things about the

companies feel better in my experience

and that's been a big learning as well

and a big benefit to the to the

companies and the last thing is look

there's just been an enormous amount of

listening and learning markets like

especially working with some of the

diverse entrepreneurs that we have in

our portfolio just understanding the

struggle they've been through the

frustration and understanding how to

deploy a little bit of listening and

empathy instead of trying to have all

the answers to has been really important

 

MW

um having you know for the last decade

or what for whatever portion of the last

decade focused on not just impact but

also investing in diverse founders you

know 

How do you and your partner feel in

this moment you know, everybody sort of

looking at the systems that underlie

this country certainly economically

there's a tremendous amount of systemic

racism that's just embedded in things,

and that's demonstrable all the data

sort of points to that.  How do you feel

about where you're positioned how do you

feel about you know what you've learned

and how you can take that specifically

in your investments in diverse founders

you know into the into the next ten

years of your firm?

 

OL

 Yeah I mean first of

 all, you have to be in a moment like this

 with a lot of humility and recognize

 also like there's lots of good things

 happening and and you know why are these

 things happening right now is the result

of some tragedies some of which we'll

all of which have been playing out for

generations right so just um you know

you got to keep all those things

balanced in your mind you know

give you an example as I'm sure you've

noticed a lot of venture capital firms

and large institutional funders are

suddenly super interested in this space

and I think you know I have to separate

in my mind the the honest reaction of

like a welcome like I'm so glad to see

you now interested in this but then also

welcoming the capital because if it's 10

or 100x more money available for

founders of different colors different

genders etc then that's wonderful if the

black founders in our portfolio and at

resolution project are accessing more

capital it's good so you have to kind of

box up the slight frustration of like

where have you been this whole time but

look change has to happen right so

that's been big and then look I think

the other thing and this is one of those

things I've mentioned listening before

we have some truly extraordinary

entrepreneurs in our portfolio and as

resolution fellows and to talk to them

to read what they have been writing to

recognize the pent-up emotions that they

have and their management challenges

managing teams and what they've been

through has been just a roller coaster

of Education and being there with them

and just being able to talk to them at

all hours of the night and things like

that so yeah it's a complicated moment

but if this leads us to more capital and

more attention for a truly more colorful

and diverse innovation sector then it's

a big win.

 

MW

I love that last part that you

said around listening and I don't even

want to say that it's listening

differently but it is absolutely true

that this moment has given space for a

different level of conversation right

you know my my partner in our venture

firm is white and he and I are having

conversations we've been partners at one

level or another for a decade now and in

the last you know 60 days we've had

conversations we haven't had over the

last 10 years you know and it is because

the the the overarching conversation is

bringing you know quite frankly white

people into an awareness of something

that previously speaking on as a black

or brown or even a female founder would

have been a disadvantage so like you

know the these were things that

that that you know diverse founders

always knew but there was no advantage

to saying them cuz you'd be oh you know

you're you're pulling the race card or

oh you know you're being bitter or angry

or you know what I mean like all those

kinds of things and now that's being put

aside and we're able to sort of have

this conversation just without those

labels without without that downside to

sort of speaking and that's great

because I you know I love the idea that

not necessarily that you're listening

differently you know you know you you've

invested in these founders you've been

supportive of them but now you're

getting to hear something from them that

maybe you weren't able to hear before

because they didn't feel that they could

do it and not actually do damage to

their business you know which i think is

a very very real thing

 

OL

yeah I mean it's actually been a

long-running conversation with many of

them over the years I'm thinking of one

in particular who I don't know I don't

know how much he wants me to talk about

his name told me afterwards and we can

you know you should get him on by the

way in a few weeks yeah so he's he's one

of the most remarkable people I've ever

had the chance to work with and for him

you know it has been a multi-year

struggle of trying to understand where

his being black fits into his story as

an entrepreneur right and and you don't

always want to be introduced on stage as

the black tech founder you want to be an

entrepreneur and you are also black

right and but you know also like does

that confer some you know does that put

him in a place where people need to hear

him now and where that needs to be more

forefront yes but I think you know

you're absolutely right right this I

like where does your identity and your

work meld and how can you keep one from

defining the other but but they're

naturally related you know that's been

really complicated and that's been a

place where we've been happy to offer

what advice we could but also just being

there for the conversation is important

 

MW

that's awesome that's awesome let's talk

about the resolution project you know

that's that's that's one area that I'll

admit I hadn't dug into a whole lot but

it sounds like something you've made you

know tremendous impact with so talk

about the founding of it and and just a

little bit more color on what it is 

 

OL

the founding story is hilarious

because

I so as if I weren't nerdy enough

already I used to do this thing in

college in high school called Model UN

where you simulate the United Nations so

all the audience now can laugh at me

it's cool but but we really feel pretty

cool about it but I will tell you the

interesting thing about it right so you

do the simulation work that's cool but

what's interesting is all these

conferences they bring together

thousands of young people who want to

make a difference and if you look beyond

the subject matter of Model UN you'll

find that there's political conferences

there's you know model congress's

there's international youth conferences

basically think about like whenever

young people get pulled together so we

we ran one of these things in college

two of my best friends and we we

graduated we went to work we've learned

some stuff we started hearing about

social entrepreneurship and stuff

bubbling up in the corner that's the

early 2000s now because on that old and

and week we sit or something what

happened we would take this back to the

old ahmadi wen conference we used to run

and see if one or two kids would want to

start a project and so we actually

called it the world Mun alumni project

or world map that was the original name

we were like maybe maybe one or two

people maybe we'll raise a couple grand

so we went out to the conference and it

was it was always it's always in a

different city every year around the

world and in Geneva we had like 2000

kids attending and we had a room for a

lunch with 75 chairs and we were like

look at the social entrepreneurship

you know meetup like almost a thousand

kids tried to get into the room it was

the biggest outpouring of interest and

please you know fund us and help us and

mentor us and like go back and build

something so you can help and so that's

what we did so resolution Breathitt was

born that way

now you know fast forward 11 years we do

competitions all around the world

usually in person not lately but

literally like we have competitions in

New York and we'll have them in Africa

every year we'll have them in Southeast

Asia Australia Latin America everywhere

always about college kids with their

very first social venture and the thing

with us is we’re the first believer so

we'll give them anywhere between one and

ten grand usually lifetime mentorship as

long as they're involved in social

impact and we watch them go and you'd be

amazed what's happened 

 

MW

that's amazing

and and tell me again how many

how many individuals or groups have gone

through this program now over the course

of the last 11 years yeah we've just

about 550 fellows I'm not quite a few

but it's right around that yeah so and

by the way like it's the the so first of

all from a diversity perspective right I

mean women of color you know military

veterans like everything you can imagine

all starting in college but also

geographically diverse from the eighty

countries and I think it's 23 states if

memory serves

but then the diversity of what they're

trying to do so there's like tiny little

mentorship programs and then there's

massively venture-backed social

enterprises in the direct consumer food

industry and everything in between and

what you end up finding is that it's

actually the the act of starting the

thing that creates the moment of

responsible leadership that we're

looking for that's yeah so so that I

mean I love this and by the way just a

quick logistical thing is the is the one

to ten grand is that a grant 

 

OL

It’s a grant

 

MW

so

grant yeah okay amazing so so that so

this first believer you know moment that

is not transactional because it

establishes a lifelong relationship they

become a fellow so that this is like

once a fellow always a fellow kind of

thing right that and and then what

you've seen over the course of 11 years

is that that is actually the most

important thing too

something magical happening to you know

and I love that because people people

don't understand how magical it is to

see what happens on the other end of

starting something and then they wonder

why like some people do thing after

thing after thing after thing after

thing and it was all that first thing

you know it was that first thing where

they got over whatever that fear was of

in in the uncertainty and then they know

oh this is how you actually start

something you know once you have that as

an asset from from an experience

perspective the confidence around that

comes with that and the skills that come

with how to start something your ability

to be like a world changer and do thing

after thing after thing are just they're

basically unlimited you know and that's

so much of that is like my own my own

story

that I just love I love that you're

finding those people those and I also

love the fact that you know you started

this thing and you had a thousand people

because I've got it I've got a basic

idea in premise which is a big part of

my book is that there aren't enough

institutions like that in the world

today there are far too many

institutions forcing these ambitious

creative rebels you know into systems

that are more about compliance and more

about you know status quo and and these

people they can't find their tribe they

can't find their people they can't find

that first believer who says no no

you're not crazy like this thing you

want to do go do it and if you fail who

cares right you know you you can have a

career of trying and and you'd be amazed

at what can happen in a career of trying

and and I just so I just love this that

you've built this institution around

around this idea of being that first

believer writing that first check doing

it as a grant so there isn't sort of

that weight that comes with the equity

piece you know and then you're like

supporting them forever that's that's so

cool 

 

OL

totally you know so many thoughts

as you were talking just now about the

nexus between what you what you're

expressing and our experience at 

resolution it's huge you know a few

things number one we did a survey pretty

early in the project we do it now every

year obviously and the number one value

of the resolution fellowship and it's

not that they were under valuing the

cash grant or anything like that but it was

what there's no elegant way to say this

but it was mitigating loneliness it was

they weren't lonely anymore it's very

lonely to start something right the idea

that they had this like global band of

sisters and brothers and then these

mentors and people who've done this

you've climbed the mountain before as

Sherpas if you will was really

meaningful to them and then the other

thing is you know I wrote a piece a

couple years back in Fast Company on you

know what failing forward means to

people who don't have privilege hmm

because this idea that you should like

to break things quickly and you know if

you raise a few hundred grand from you

know people sitting around your college

and and then it doesn't work you'll be

on the next thing but for a lot of

communities you blow the first chance

there won't be a second the first chance

is hard enough that's right that's right

and so having an ecosystem around that

is really important and

last thing uh say from what you

mentioned is is it flows directly from

that is your right there's a lack of

what we would call the ecosystem

building organizations where are the

coral reefs that create the the

beautiful flora and fauna of

entrepreneurship because they don't just

come out of nowhere right and up until

now it's been a very rarified very few

cities in the world with a specific

mixture of wealthy people and

institutions and universities that have

been the coral reefs if we can't get

that more generalized and more

geographically diverse then we will have

a limited aperture on innovation and

creativity and this is not a time in human

history where that is acceptable 

 

MW

okay

you just hit into the the final point

that I want any perfect segue this time

in human history right this is obviously

a tremendously challenging time and one

of the things that people have asked me

a lot over the last week or so given the

fact that just launched a book is man

what does it feel like to launch a book

during a pandemic right you can't do all

the things that you would normally do

you can't do a book tour you can't do

live speaking write all these things and

and they're absolutely right however

there are two things that I always I'm

able to say one this book is about the

it's the gospel of entrepreneurship

basically it's my gospel of

entrepreneurship and it is about the

fact that entrepreneurship is accessible

to everybody and it is my strong

assertion that right now in this moment

in history we are going to need a ton of

entrepreneurship like we don't even know

how much entrepreneurship we're gonna

need in this moment because all of the

great stable status quo stuff has been

so fundamentally disrupted for such an

uncertain period of time that like we're

going to have to create new ways to do

so many things right so many things and

so we're gonna need a lot of

entrepreneurs to figure this out you

know we still have money out there in

this economy

it just ain't movin because the stuff

that used to provide value doesn't

provide value anymore so we got to

figure out new ways to provide this

necessary value in a

very very different world so that's one

thing the second thing is as an

entrepreneur and a creative entrepreneur

specifically all this was was another

problem to solve

right you know what I mean so in this in

this moment I created this show and you

know staying busy staying creative and

and solving problems for myself is

ending up solving problems for other

people it's given people platform it's

giving people new information and you

know there's a huge opportunity in this

really challenging time to come up with

the solutions that we need you know and

and figuring out new ways to launch a

book falls in that category you know

like how do you get a really really

important piece of work out to the world

when all the previous channels weren't

there anymore you know so I say all that

to say and then ask you sort of the

final question in this moment you know I

know I've experienced it with my

portfolio some companies are like going

through the room the moon right you know

what I mean with with everything that's

having some a really challenge you know

what it what has been your perspective

to date you know now we're a hundred

plus days into this thing what has been

your perspective to date on the role and

the importance of innovation and

entrepreneurship in this pandemic that

we're all experiencing 

 

OL

well you're

absolutely right I mean it's never been

more important you know I'll say

something a little controversial or at

least it got me in trouble the other day

which is I so I studied military history

in national security in college oddly

enough and this most reminds me of

wartime it where by the way innovation

gets a huge kick in the pants I once was

on a panel and I got the question what

will be the single fastest way to spur

innovation in America and I said we

could go to war I don't recommend it but

I'm just saying that's usually the

fastest way to get innovation yeah did

not go well on the panel by the way not

appreciated right but but the point

stands which is that in times of

enormous adversity and threat is when we

get most creative as people and

certainly our country has that reservoir

and I will say again at the risk of

being controversial that the less

leadership and guidance we have from

various important quarters the more

import

it is that we take matters into the

hands of the most creative and

innovative people in our society and

that means you know entrepreneurs and

trying to solve problems and you know

look when you think about it right we're

all at some point strategically at the

mercy of you know innovators in science

who are thinking about vaccines and and

in the meantime we've got super creative

people trying to get protective

equipment and so you know a data

surveillance systems to better track

cases so just even in the most obvious

ways innovation has an importance but to

your question Marcus about the portfolio

and how to think about that you know I

mean we're blessed that we've been

thinking about impact and diversity for

11 years and there's a bit of a moment

for companies that are good for the

world and then have the risk founders at

the moment but the other thing that I'll

share with you is you know my partner

Eric at H&L Eric consommé Moe so

Eric and I work together through the

aftermath of 9/11 I came to work for him

just after that and I did a national

security background coming out of some

prior work and then in 2008 we were

working together just starting this

trend so we've had a couple of moments

of crisis and economic disruption under

our belts together as a team and just

like you know a mountain climbing team

that's seen avalanches before we we were

just like ready for this right and and

and it's not to say that it's easy and

that we didn't lose sleepless nights and

hair and all sorts of other stuff but

but it just meant that we were able to

then move you know carefully bit

aggressively in support of our companies

and making new deals and new investments

which in the venture world have been few

and far between recently and it's

because in times of crisis you can

achieve some differentiation and so many

people in the venture world started

sometime after the last crisis and it's

been pretty blue skies since then and so

we're in a moment now where people

who've seen tough times before I think

can start to step aside and

differentiate a little bit and help

galvanize the innovation that you were

talking about which is so critical to

get through this time which we will get

through but I'll sit the last thing I'll

share with you and I've been talking for

a minute here promises this is a weird

crisis right like if you get hit by a

hurricane of course like whether you

were prepared or not has a you know

makes

friends and local leadership makes a

difference and federal disaster support

but there's a limited personal agency

that you can take the coronavirus of

course we need leadership from on high

we need doctors and science and all that

but also we need people to do basically

smart things and we've never had more

agency and how quickly we can get out of

this and how safely remain during that

time then as a society if we decide to

be you know responsible and innovative

together so you know and I really have

faith in us I think we can do it but the

call is for us to make right 

 

MW

an amazing

way to wrap up I told you 30 minutes

would go super fast right awesome

conversation Oliver we'll have to have

you back man and and and talk more

because I think this I think this this

this topic of diverse leaders and impact

companies is nowhere near as crescendo

and so you know as we start seeing more

and more headlines around this and more

and more things really start to take

shape I want to bring you back on to

talk more about it in depth because I

think there will be a lot more to talk

about I think the landscape is gonna

change I think there is going to be a

lot of capital moved in this direction

and I think I hope that society here's

that last bit that you said is able to

hold on to some optimism and can kind of

rally behind the innovators because

you're absolutely right that's who we're

gonna need 

 

OL

well thank you I really I

would love to come back maybe we'll

bring some of our entrepreneurs as well

and really appreciate you and what

you're writing and what you're doing

Marcus they keep it going

and thank you for having me I'm so

grateful 

 

MW

awesome man thanks so much

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I'm going into the weekend I'm so

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great two weeks since the launch of the

book great shows for two weeks straight

and I'm excited there's a lot of good

energy out there right now but also

pretty solemn about you know look at the

growth of cases in the coronavirus that

are happening in this country so I am

praying for anybody who has been

affected by that you know we've got

people very close to us that we've

learned about recently that have been

affected and so everyone just just be

safe take care of each other and

continue to be thoughtful but be

innovative and let's build the new

normal y'all peace

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